What is your god like? (13 Viewers)

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DelpieroForLife

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DelpieroForLife said:
2- The Romans have been defeated.
3- In the lowest part of the earth. But after defeat they will soon be victorious.
4- Between three or nine years. God’s is the imperative first and last. On that day the believers will rejoice.
30-The Romans, 2-4

At the time of the descent of the Quran, the Romans were practicing Christianity while the Persians were Zoroastrians. The Muslim population was grieved to hear that it was the Persians who had won the war against the Romans since Christians were monotheists. The victory of the Zoroastrians against the believers baffled the Muslims. The Quran predicted that the Romans (Byzantium) would soon become victorious and that the believers would rejoice. The expression “beda seneen” in verse 4 refers to the numbers ranging from three to nine. The number of followers of Muhammad continued to increase. Had this statement of the Quran proved to be wrong, the confidence of the followers in Muhammad would have been shaken and the number of apostates would have grown. For a person not firmly convinced that the Quran was the revelation of God, such a prediction would be fatal for the system. If such a prediction were to prove false, it would have lost more of its authority than it would have gained had it turned out to be true. But it was God who revealed the Quran. So there was no risk. Thus the confidence of the followers increased even more.
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27- Truly God fulfilled His messenger’s vision. You will enter the Restricted Mosque in security, if God wills. You will cut your hair or shorten it, you will not have any fear. Since He knew what you did not know, He has preceded this with an immediate victory.
48-Victory, 27

Another prophecy similar to the victory of the Romans was the realization of the premonitory dream of Muhammad in which he saw himself entering the Restricted Mosque (the mosque which surrounded the Kaaba of Mecca, the place of pilgrimage). Just to remind you, the Prophet and his followers had been expelled from Mecca and the Meccans were superior both in military power and equipment.

Many prophets died before they could establish sovereignty in the land in which they spread their religion. Had there been no such tidings, Muhammad could not possibly have foreseen that the day would come when he would be in a position to conquer Mecca.

All Quranic verses reflect poise, confidence and self-reliance. There is nothing in them to suggest the ambivalence, vacillation and equivocation that one can encounter in other works whose authors were human beings.
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I didn't hear your complains about the above posts Martin.

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That's simple. What you think is a valid point, I don't. That doesn't mean there are no valid points, but most of the time I read things that are not valid points in my opinion.
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Can I say the same without being called moron/retard/uneducated?
 
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    DelpieroForLife said:
    I didn't hear your complains about the above posts Martin.
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    Okay, I can say the same thing. Manchester United will win tonight. If I'm right, will you think I had a message from god?

    Anyone can make predictions. And I told you religious people try very hard to find these "true predictions" in their holy books.

    DelpieroForLife said:
    Can I say the same without being called moron/retard/uneducated?
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    Did I call you that?
     
    DelpieroForLife

    DelpieroForLife

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    Martin said:
    Okay, I can say the same thing. Manchester United will win tonight. If I'm right, will you think I had a message from god?

    Anyone can make predictions. And I told you religious people try very hard to find these "true predictions" in their holy books.



    Did I call you that?
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    Why would a prophet risk all his credit by making such prediction if he isn't 100% of it.

    If Mohammed was faking being illiterate and he was helped by Mr.X putting a tremendous amount of time and energy to produce Quran why would he risk everything for a silly prediction which can go either way? Not logical IMO.

    No you didn't... you are a decent debater, one have to give you that.
     
    DelpieroForLife

    DelpieroForLife

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    Martin said:
    Because you see, it's just as easy to find bad things in holy books as it is to find good things:

    http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
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    Sorry but my knowledge in Bible is no better than yours... if you find anything similar regarding Quran am always ready to discuss it rationally.

    You know I could list hundred of correct predictions mentioned in Quran (I don't even know a single one which goes wrong) and you can always use the same argument of this is a prediction that can go either ways and if it was right it says a very little but damn what is the odds for that?

    I would only consider your other argument "Beautiful Mind" when you provide a false prediction mentioned in Quran, fair?
     
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