What is your god like? (16 Viewers)

[DelpieroForLife]

Again: the Earth being spherical was not Muhammad's idea. This idea too was Greek. Muhammad was 1200 years late, not early.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Belief in a flat Earth is found in mankind's oldest writings. In early Mesopotamian thought, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean, and this forms the premise for early Greek maps such as those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

MORON.

 

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[Martin]

Can anything ascend while it is stand still?

Are you giving me riddles?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Are you giving me riddles?

No.

The quote say ascend but still you can't understand how it is related to speed.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

2- The Romans have been defeated.
3- In the lowest part of the earth. But after defeat they will soon be victorious.
4- Between three or nine years. God’s is the imperative first and last. On that day the believers will rejoice.
30-The Romans, 2-4

At the time of the descent of the Quran, the Romans were practicing Christianity while the Persians were Zoroastrians. The Muslim population was grieved to hear that it was the Persians who had won the war against the Romans since Christians were monotheists. The victory of the Zoroastrians against the believers baffled the Muslims. The Quran predicted that the Romans (Byzantium) would soon become victorious and that the believers would rejoice. The expression “beda seneen” in verse 4 refers to the numbers ranging from three to nine. The number of followers of Muhammad continued to increase. Had this statement of the Quran proved to be wrong, the confidence of the followers in Muhammad would have been shaken and the number of apostates would have grown. For a person not firmly convinced that the Quran was the revelation of God, such a prediction would be fatal for the system. If such a prediction were to prove false, it would have lost more of its authority than it would have gained had it turned out to be true. But it was God who revealed the Quran. So there was no risk. Thus the confidence of the followers increased even more.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

27- Truly God fulfilled His messenger’s vision. You will enter the Restricted Mosque in security, if God wills. You will cut your hair or shorten it, you will not have any fear. Since He knew what you did not know, He has preceded this with an immediate victory.
48-Victory, 27

Another prophecy similar to the victory of the Romans was the realization of the premonitory dream of Muhammad in which he saw himself entering the Restricted Mosque (the mosque which surrounded the Kaaba of Mecca, the place of pilgrimage). Just to remind you, the Prophet and his followers had been expelled from Mecca and the Meccans were superior both in military power and equipment.

Many prophets died before they could establish sovereignty in the land in which they spread their religion. Had there been no such tidings, Muhammad could not possibly have foreseen that the day would come when he would be in a position to conquer Mecca.

All Quranic verses reflect poise, confidence and self-reliance. There is nothing in them to suggest the ambivalence, vacillation and equivocation that one can encounter in other works whose authors were human beings.

 

[Martin]

No.

The quote say ascend but still you can't understand how it is related to speed.

It did not mention any speed. If you want to show that the Quran can show relativity then at least show an example where you can calculate that the speed of the people moving in the Quran can be calculated using Einstein's physics.

For example:
x was traveling at 5 km/h
y was traveling at the speed of light
because of e = mc^2 we can show that...

Something like this would qualify.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

It did not mention any speed. If you want to show that the Quran can show relativity then at least show an example where you can calculate that the speed of the people moving in the Quran can be calculated using Einstein's physics.

For example:
x was traveling at 5 km/h
y was traveling at the speed of light
because of e = mc^2 we can show that...

Something like this would qualify.

True, the quote didn't provide example or a calculation but it mentioned the general concept of time which pass more slowly for somebody driving a vehicle.

The general concept was clearly there.

 

[Martin]

True, the quote didn't provide example or a calculation but it mentioned the general concept of time which pass more slowly for somebody driving a vehicle.

The general concept was clearly there.

So what? Anyone can have an idea. Ideas in themselves are worth nothing until someone proves it is correct.

If I say to you today that we are in the center of the universe and in 45 years someone proves this is correct, should I get the Nobel Prize in physics?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

So what? Anyone can have an idea. Ideas in themselves are worth nothing until someone proves it is correct.

If I say to you today that we are in the center of the universe and in 45 years someone proves this is correct, should I get the Nobel Prize in physics?

Why would Mohammed risk mentioning such idea when it can be proven in future to be right or wrong?

If he was proven wrong the whole thing will be regarded as fake so why taking a risk?

Martin, did you read the above couple of posts?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

So what? Anyone can have an idea. Ideas in themselves are worth nothing until someone proves it is correct.

If I say to you today that we are in the center of the universe and in 45 years someone proves this is correct, should I get the Nobel Prize in physics?

Pleaese have a look Martin,

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/mathematical_miracles.htm

 

[Martin]

Why would Mohammed risk mentioning such idea when it can be proven in future to be right or wrong?

If he was proven wrong the whole thing will be regarded as fake so why taking a risk?

Martin, did you read the above couple of posts?

Why not? I'm sure he said lots of things that are just plain wrong. Or mean nothing.

The truth is religious people NEVER read religious books trying to prove them wrong. The only thing they ever do is try to discover prophecies.

When non religious people read the same books they never see these prophecies, because just because someone said one person could measure time differently from another doesn't prove any knowledge. It could just as well be fantasy.

Pleaese have a look Martin,

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/mathematical_miracles.htm

Thank you for proving my point. Have you seen the movie "Beautiful mind"? If not, go see it and you will know exactly what I mean.

 

[Raz]

Today was a strange day for me.

Couple of hours back i left here and went to take an exam, but when i arrived i found out that i forgot my password, so i couldnt log in and take it, so i failed. Then i went back home with the bus, since my friend had his password and he stayed to take the exam. When i got home i found out that i left my stuff in my friends car, so no mobile and no keys, I had to wait for couple of hours for my friend to come back And i just got a call that my training today is canceled

I think god decided to show his power today

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Why not? I'm sure he said lots of things that are just plain wrong. Or mean nothing.

The truth is religious people NEVER read religious books trying to prove them wrong. The only thing they ever do is try to discover prophecies.

When non religious people read the same books they never see these prophecies, because just because someone said one person could measure time differently from another doesn't prove any knowledge. It could just as well be fantasy.



Thank you for proving my point. Have you seen the movie "Beautiful mind"? If not, go see it and you will know exactly what I mean.

I've seen the movie a long time ago... can't really remember it very well but what are you implying exactly?

 

[Raz]

Thank you for proving my point. Have you seen the movie "Beautiful mind"? If not, go see it and you will know exactly what I mean.

Mad obsession with numbers, and russian spies trying to infiltrate the country? That was a good twist

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Today was a strange day for me.

Couple of hours back i left here and went to take an exam, but when i arrived i found out that i forgot my password, so i couldnt log in and take it, so i failed. Then i went back home with the bus, since my friend had his password and he stayed to take the exam. When i got home i found out that i left my stuff in my friends car, so no mobile and no keys, I had to wait for couple of hours for my friend to come back And i just got a call that my training today is canceled

I think god decided to show his power today

 

[Martin]

I've seen the movie a long time ago... can't really remember it very well but what are you implying exactly?

That if you really want to SEE meaning in something you can see meaning in anything. Just like John Nash in that movie was reading magazines and thought he was seeing secret messages in them.

It's too bad you saw the movie and it didn't teach you anything.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

That if you really want to SEE meaning in something you can see meaning in anything. Just like John Nash in that movie was reading magazines and thought he was seeing secret messages in them.

It's too bad you saw the movie and it didn't teach you anything.

I told you I can't really remember the movie is it a sin now

What I really don't understand is one thing and one thing only... which is the general attitude of the atheist/theist discussion, everyside defend his own opinion as if his life depend on it... no side admit or recognize when other offer a valid point.... a valid point will always be simply neglected or wrongfully denied.

I'm Muslim but I would like to know how others thinks rationally of believes that doesn't go well with mine... that's the point I think... the we are the good guys they are the bad one attitude can never lead us anywhere.

Anyway,

 

[Hist]

I told you I can't really remember the movie is it a sin now

What I really don't understand is one thing and one thing only... which is the general attitude of the atheist/theist discussion, everyside defend his own opinion as if his life depend on it... no side admit or recognize when other offer a valid point.... a valid point will always be simply neglected or wrongfully denied.

I'm Muslim but I would like to know how others thinks rationally of believes that doesn't go well with mine... that's the point I think... the we are the good guys they are the bad one attitude can never lead us anywhere.

Anyway,

very true, but as a fellow muslim i wouldnt make the link between science and religion

 

[Martin]

I told you I can't really remember the movie is it a sin now

What I really don't understand is one thing and one thing only... which is the general attitude of the atheist/theist discussion, everyside defend his own opinion as if his life depend on it... no side admit or recognize when other offer a valid point.... a valid point will always be simply neglected or wrongfully denied.

I'm Muslim but I would like to know how others thinks rationally of believes that doesn't go well with mine... that's the point I think... the we are the good guys they are the bad one attitude can never lead us anywhere.

Anyway,

That's simple. What you think is a valid point, I don't. That doesn't mean there are no valid points, but most of the time I read things that are not valid points in my opinion.

 

[Martin]

DelpieroForLife, one more thing about "valid points".

Look here: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4452/lolzyj5.jpg