What is your god like? (13 Viewers)

[.Seven.]

What question this is?

Only one God.His name Allah.

No compare to him.

 

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[Dinsdale]

Ben ik?

Oh for sure. You're about as fluent in Dutch as the royal family already.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

He doesn't have to prove the otherwise. He believes that Mohammad lied. In Islam it's a blasphemy. Extremists would kill you because of it. But that's just Seven's personal belief. If you think he's wrong, if you really think that Mohammad has not faked the whole thing you'll either have to prove it or to accept that believing in Mohammad is ONLY your personal belief without having any proof for him being the God's Messenger.

If I tell you that I've got 10245876 hairs on my head you won't believe me because no one can safely say the exact number of his/her hairs. You tell me that you don't believe that I have 10245876 hairs on my head and then I tell you: "Prove me wrong" knowing that you are not able to count my hair as well. But in fact it's not up to you to prove that I don't have 10245876 hairs on my head. It's up to me and as long as I can't prove my claim, it's all worthless and untrue. I'm only able to say that I feel I've got 10245876 hairs on my head and it's all ok.

If you say you feel that Mohammad was telling the truth, you don't need to prove it to anybody. It's you and your feelings.




You know that it has nothing to do with you not being able to prove that Mohammad was not lying. No one has proved it yet, not even the Islam experts. If there's such a convincing proof for Mohammad telling the truth, don't you think everyone should have been convinced by now?






That's true. As Ghaith says, (p or q) is always a true statement unless both p and q are false. You don't need to prove that Mohammad's either a liar or not. It's obvious.

Can you help Seven to understand this very simple FACT... I don't think he'll listen if I'm the one explaining as he believe I'm uneducated

 

[Seven]

She basically said you were wrong in every single aspect of this discussion.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

She basically said you were wrong in every simple aspect of this discussion.

 

[Seven]

Ask her. She doesn't agree with you.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Ask her. She doesn't agree with you.

Agree with me on what?

X or (Not X) = True.

You are the only in universe who would call himself a genius because he is proving a simple FACT.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Let me put it this way... anyone who know about math can simply understand what I'm putting here... Seven you don't have to read the following it is a waste of your time and effort.

J1 = Possibility of Joseph Smith telling truth.
N (J1) = Possibility of Joseph Smith not telling truth.
J2 = Possibility of Joseph Smith2 (that's another Joseph) telling truth.
M = Possibility of Mohammed telling truth.
X = Possibility of all so called prophets is lying (if we can prove X = True then atheist are right).
Y = Possibility of at least one of the so called prophet is telling truth (if we can prove Y = True then theist are right).

We have the following facts:

1) (J1 OR N (J1) = True) (Joseph Smith may be or may be not telling truth).

2) (J1 AND N (J2) = False) (Jospeh Smith can't be telling truth and lying at the same time).

3) X = N (Y) (Obviously).

4) X = N (J1) AND N (M) AND ...... N (J#) (X is the possibility of everyone is lying).

5) J1 OR J2 OR M OR ..... OR J# OR X = True (Someone is telling truth or everybody is lying).

Now

If (J1 = True)

=>

Using (1) we can prove (N (J1) = False)
Using (1) we can prove (M = False)
Using (3) we can prove (X = False)
Using (3) we can prove (Y = True)

(WE CAN PROVE SOMETHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW).

If (J2 = False)

=>

Using (1) we can prove N(J1) = True.
M = Unknown.
J2= Unknown.
X = Unknown.
Y= Unknown.

So if we know that Joseph Smith is lying we can take one result from that HE IS NOT TELLING TRUTH, NOTHING MORE.

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Final Result:

Unless we can prove Joseph Smith IS telling truth we can't conclude anything... Joseph Smith lying give us ZERO information about all other prophets and has ABSOLUTELY no logical relation with Mohammed telling truth or any other prophet whatsoever.

 

[Fred]

What question this is?

Only one God.His name Allah.

No compare to him.

How did you get the same # of posts? :wth:

 

[DelpieroForLife]

How did you get the same # of posts? :wth:

My money the answer would be: That's Allah's will.

 

[Zé Tahir]

صُمٌّۢ بُكْمٌ عُمْىٌ فَهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُوْنَ

 

[DelpieroForLife]

The best post ever

 

[Joaco]

صُمٌّۢ بُكْمٌ عُمْىٌ فَهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُوْنَ

What does that means, muslim pilot?

 

[Raz]

What does it mean?

I find arabic writing very beautiful, though it must be a paint to write it with hand?

 

[Seven]

Let me put it this way... anyone who know about math can simply understand what I'm putting here... Seven you don't have to read the following it is a waste of your time and effort.

J1 = Possibility of Joseph Smith telling truth.
N (J1) = Possibility of Joseph Smith not telling truth.
J2 = Possibility of Joseph Smith2 (that's another Joseph) telling truth.
M = Possibility of Mohammed telling truth.
X = Possibility of all so called prophets is lying (if we can prove X = True then atheist are right).
Y = Possibility of at least one of the so called prophet is telling truth (if we can prove Y = True then theist are right).

We have the following facts:

1) (J1 OR N (J1) = True) (Joseph Smith may be or may be not telling truth).

2) (J1 AND N (J2) = False) (Jospeh Smith can't be telling truth and lying at the same time).

3) X = N (Y) (Obviously).

4) X = N (J1) AND N (M) AND ...... N (J#) (X is the possibility of everyone is lying).

5) J1 OR J2 OR M OR ..... OR J# OR X = True (Someone is telling truth or everybody is lying).

Now

If (J1 = True)

=>

Using (1) we can prove (N (J1) = False)
Using (1) we can prove (M = False)
Using (3) we can prove (X = False)
Using (3) we can prove (Y = True)

(WE CAN PROVE SOMETHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW).

If (J2 = False)

=>

Using (1) we can prove N(J1) = True.
M = Unknown.
J2= Unknown.
X = Unknown.
Y= Unknown.

So if we know that Joseph Smith is lying we can take one result from that HE IS NOT TELLING TRUTH, NOTHING MORE.

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Final Result:

Unless we can prove Joseph Smith IS telling truth we can't conclude anything... Joseph Smith lying give us ZERO information about all other prophets and has ABSOLUTELY no logical relation with Mohammed telling truth or any other prophet whatsoever.

Are you telling me that you misunderstood me from the getgo? I wasn't trying to prove that the prophet lied. There IS however a logical relation. This is the question:

Can people lie about religion? Can they say they are a prophet, when they are not?

The answer is yes. And why is it yes? Because:

- Joseph Smith said he was the real deal.
- Joseph Smith must have lied, because he's not Muhammad (I took the liberty to answer my question for you. I assume you think J. Smith wasn't telling the truth, otherwise you wouldn't be muslim).
- Joseph Smith is a man.

Thus my point is proven: men can lie about religion. You can't just go around and change the very thing I am trying to prove. If I'm in the middle of proving to you who did what in the OJ Simpson case, you can't tell the judge that there's no fucking way I can know who killed JFK. You can't change the starting point. Is it that hard, you imbecile?

 

[Seven]

صُمٌّۢ بُكْمٌ عُمْىٌ فَهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُوْنَ

Heel erg dapper.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Are you telling me that you misunderstood me from the getgo? I wasn't trying to prove that the prophet lied. There IS however a logical relation. This is the question:

Can people lie about religion? Can they say they are a prophet, when they are not?

The answer is yes. And why is it yes? Because:

- Joseph Smith said he was the real deal.
- Joseph Smith must have lied, because he's not Muhammad (I took the liberty to answer my question for you. I assume you think J. Smith wasn't telling the truth, otherwise you wouldn't be muslim).
- Joseph Smith is a man.

Thus my point is proven: men can lie about religion.

You'll never get it... NEVER.

For the very last time...

The Joseph Smith debate give us ZERO information about Mohammed unless you give a prove he (Joseph) was actually telling truth... I used math and PROVED you there is absolutely no LOGICAL relation so by using the option "Joseph Smith is lying" you can prove NO-FU-CK-ING-THING.

Please tell me you can understand now... PLEASE.

 

[Seven]

You'll never get it... NEVER.

For the very last time...

The Joseph Smith debate give us ZERO information about Mohammed unless you give a prove he (Joseph) was actually telling truth... I used math and PROVED you there is absolutely no LOGICAL relation so by using the option "Joseph Smith is lying" you can prove NO-FU-CK-ING-THING.

Please tell me you can understand now... PLEASE.

Read my post.

Read it again.

Read it again.

Read it again.

Read it again.

Now you've read it five times. I now want you to read it a sixth time, but slightly slower this time. Let all the words enter your brain. If you don't know what a word means, don't hesitate to ask. It's really important you understand the meaning of my post.

Good luck

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Proving men can lie about religion.

You deserve a Nobel prize for this discovery.

Waiting for your next discovery: Proving woman can lie about their age.

 

[Seven]

Proving men can lie about religion.

You deserve a Nobel prize for this discovery.

Waiting for your next discovery: Proving woman can lie about their age.

YEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You finally understood! Do you know what this means? This is HUGE!! Now that I know how I have to communicate with you, I can finally convey my thoughts to you through writing. This is fantastic.