Of course not. Faith is faith. If you say you can justify it rationally, you're wrong.
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Save it Fred, a discussion with him is a total waste of time, effort and energy.
Name calling is part of his rational logic.
[Seven]How dare you question me Hoori? I belong to a civilized world while you belong to a descent world... you must be uneducated... may I even say illiterate can you prove me no one is helping you to post in this forum? No you can't... I knew you can't... dammit you can't.
My rational argument leave us with two options... feel free to pick the one you like the most:
1) You are illiterate but someone is helping you to post in this forum.
2) You are not illiterate and you are posting by your own....but still, since you are from The Middile East you must have at least a raped leg or a torn out eye.
For your own health I recommend you pick the torn out eye option[/Seven]
Name calling is part of his rational logic.
[Seven]How dare you question me Hoori? I belong to a civilized world while you belong to a descent world... you must be uneducated... may I even say illiterate can you prove me no one is helping you to post in this forum? No you can't... I knew you can't... dammit you can't.
My rational argument leave us with two options... feel free to pick the one you like the most:
1) You are illiterate but someone is helping you to post in this forum.
2) You are not illiterate and you are posting by your own....but still, since you are from The Middile East you must have at least a raped leg or a torn out eye.
For your own health I recommend you pick the torn out eye option[/Seven]
Why do you have to lie the entire time?
1. I never said you were illiterate. In fact, YOU said Muhammad was illiterate. I said he WASN'T. So I'm not sure what you're alluding to here.
2. I said "The Middle East". Look it up. They say THE Middle East in English. They also say Rome instead of Roma for example. Christ.
3. Hoori is a completely rational person. I would never talk to her in that tone.
4. You only have two options concerning Joseph Smith:
a) He lied. Which means there's a chance Mohammed lied too.
b) He didn't lie. Which MUST mean Mohammed lied, which means the Quran is fake.
There's no third option. Logic limits you to these two. You either lie or you don't lie. You can't semi-lie.
5. If there would be rational arguments for believing the Quran, everyone would believe it. But it wouldn't really be "believing". It would be knowing. And no religion in the world is about knowing.
1. I never said you were illiterate. In fact, YOU said Muhammad was illiterate. I said he WASN'T. So I'm not sure what you're alluding to here.
2. I said "The Middle East". Look it up. They say THE Middle East in English. They also say Rome instead of Roma for example. Christ.
3. Hoori is a completely rational person. I would never talk to her in that tone.
4. You only have two options concerning Joseph Smith:
a) He lied. Which means there's a chance Mohammed lied too.
b) He didn't lie. Which MUST mean Mohammed lied, which means the Quran is fake.
There's no third option. Logic limits you to these two. You either lie or you don't lie. You can't semi-lie.
5. If there would be rational arguments for believing the Quran, everyone would believe it. But it wouldn't really be "believing". It would be knowing. And no religion in the world is about knowing.
1- You called me uneducated. Can you prove I'm uneducated?
2- So what?
3- Which implicit I'm not rational and I deserve that tone
4- Juventus won Scudetto 1997-1998. Lets say I'm someone who doesn't follow football and one day after Calciopoli I read in a paper Moggi saying Juventus deservedly own 1997-1998 Scudetto while in the next day I read Moratti claiming Inter is the real winner of 1997-1998 I'm left with two possibilities here:
a) Moratti is a lier, there's a chance Moggi lied too.
b) Moratti is telling the truth, Mogggi is a lier.
Obviously we are talking about 'a' here and this option absolutely prove NOTHING (as Moggi might be either lying or telling truth according to 'a' we can NEVER tell) unlike 'b' which confirm Inter as Scudetto 1997-1998 wining team.
So if I was Moggi my claim would still be VALID until someone prove 'b' (using Moratti, Gilliani, Zambrini....) not the other way around.
Hope you get it now.
5- How can you explain Quran miracles?
2- So what?
3- Which implicit I'm not rational and I deserve that tone
4- Juventus won Scudetto 1997-1998. Lets say I'm someone who doesn't follow football and one day after Calciopoli I read in a paper Moggi saying Juventus deservedly own 1997-1998 Scudetto while in the next day I read Moratti claiming Inter is the real winner of 1997-1998 I'm left with two possibilities here:
a) Moratti is a lier, there's a chance Moggi lied too.
b) Moratti is telling the truth, Mogggi is a lier.
Obviously we are talking about 'a' here and this option absolutely prove NOTHING (as Moggi might be either lying or telling truth according to 'a' we can NEVER tell) unlike 'b' which confirm Inter as Scudetto 1997-1998 wining team.
So if I was Moggi my claim would still be VALID until someone prove 'b' (using Moratti, Gilliani, Zambrini....) not the other way around.
Hope you get it now.
5- How can you explain Quran miracles?
You still don't get it.
Let's drop 1, 2 and 3. You deserve the tone by the way.
4. Your reasoning is wrong. The idea wasn't to prove that the Quran was right or to prove that Mohammed lied. The idea was to prove that you could not be certain he didn't lie. Which I succesfully did by giving you the example of Joseph Smith. I hope you finally get this now, after days of explaining it to you.
5. Which friggin' miracles? Are they the predictions?
Let's drop 1, 2 and 3. You deserve the tone by the way.
4. Your reasoning is wrong. The idea wasn't to prove that the Quran was right or to prove that Mohammed lied. The idea was to prove that you could not be certain he didn't lie. Which I succesfully did by giving you the example of Joseph Smith. I hope you finally get this now, after days of explaining it to you.
5. Which friggin' miracles? Are they the predictions?
Seems you will never change mate, why exactly did I deserve a disrespectful tone?
4) So WHAT? Your argument proved NOTHING. You proved we can't be certain he is lying yet we can be certain he is telling truth isn't this what is our debate is all about? you miserably failed to prove ANYTHING we don't already know.
I'm not sure about your education but logic and possibility math assume a very simple rule which you can understand even if you aren't educated.
We have two balls (Blue, Red) if we blindly picked one, assuming B is possibility to pick a blue ball and R is possibility to pick red ball then:
R (or) B =TRUE.
You proved Moahmmed may be lying which doesn't need a prove to start with because:
Mohammed is lying (or) Mohammed is telling truth =TRUE.
In other words... you've just wasted our time on axiomatic fact which is the starting point of our debate.
5) Go few pages back and pick whatever you like.
4) So WHAT? Your argument proved NOTHING. You proved we can't be certain he is lying yet we can be certain he is telling truth isn't this what is our debate is all about? you miserably failed to prove ANYTHING we don't already know.
I'm not sure about your education but logic and possibility math assume a very simple rule which you can understand even if you aren't educated.
We have two balls (Blue, Red) if we blindly picked one, assuming B is possibility to pick a blue ball and R is possibility to pick red ball then:
R (or) B =TRUE.
You proved Moahmmed may be lying which doesn't need a prove to start with because:
Mohammed is lying (or) Mohammed is telling truth =TRUE.
In other words... you've just wasted our time on axiomatic fact which is the starting point of our debate.
5) Go few pages back and pick whatever you like.
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