JuveJay

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Yeah watch definitely out, don’t take everything at face value.

I don’t agree with the words pseudo btw. He’s neither a scientist or archaeologist, it’s a frame. Same with branding him racist or a white supremacist which happened before.
I'm not going to get into the more woke discussion. If anything he's probably anti-racist, because this supposed culture most likely isn't going to be white.

'Pseudo' is simply an affix meaning 'false', which I think is accurate as he's neither. In modern times it's become very popular and thus profitable to be counterestablishment. He's a smart guy and realised this with the success of his books, and he's one of these guys who picks certain things and presents those to an audience in such a way it sounds like gospel. Anyone like that I'd encourage to simply do your own research.
 

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GordoDeCentral

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So eating is like sex for you, amirite? :cool:



If you're suggesting that knowledge is still out in the wild, that fails my Occam's Razor test as much as the old tropes of "We can't explain it, therefore UFO aliens" or "We can't explain it, therefore God".

I could see that the braintrust behind the construction of the pyramids would be limited to a select few in favor of the Pharaoh's court, much in the same way only a select few in the world today know how to build quantum computers. That requires a more limited blast radius to extinguish in popular knowledge for sure, especially when the majority of people are illiterate. All it takes is a quantum computing conference in Tokyo and enough sarin gas on the trains.

So you're absolutely right in that some specialized knowledge is inherently less resilient than others.



The rough dates between when the first Egyptian pyramid was built (Pyramid of Djoser) and the complex at Giza was only about one century. Which is a lot of time to innovate over five generations of architects. But we're also talking about something from 4500 years ago, of which a century is a tiny window to have anything survive that long that wasn't designed for a 4500-year shelf-life.

Just think of the Pyramids as ancient Egypt's Intel Corporation of its time.
Sorry i think I'm doing a bad job properly expressing my point. I wholeheartedly believe/know there is knowledge, very important and concequential knowledge, that exists and is only privy to a very select few. We the general public are not allowed to know about it.

Also lols at the sarin joke
 
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I'm not going to get into the more woke discussion. If anything he's probably anti-racist, because this supposed culture most likely isn't going to be white.

'Pseudo' is simply an affix meaning 'false', which I think is accurate as he's neither. In modern times it's become very popular and thus profitable to be counterestablishment. He's a smart guy and realised this with the success of his books, and he's one of these guys who picks certain things and presents those to an audience in such a way it sounds like gospel. Anyone like that I'd encourage to simply do your own research.
I have to say that I do think that he’s honest about what he thinks, he believes what he preaches. Doesn’t give me the feeling of a charlatan who’s doing it for the money, but there will be cherry picking of data points that suits his narrative, plus he makes it interdisciplinary by combining it with (local) myths, which also makes his theory kinda cool if you ask me, but you should know that before consuming his videos.

I do want to make a small discrepancy because things said on the last page might make things a bit foggy

Younger Dryas Impact Theory: comes from The Comet Research Group, a team of scientists who investigate the hypothesis. Not fringe if you ask me, not fully proven yet either. It relates to the sudden rise in temperatures at the end of the last ice age, meltwater pulse 1b, the sudden death of all the megafauna, etc. There have been criticism on data they’ve presented, but investigations are still ongoing as far as I know.

Hancock/Ancient Apocalypse: theory of the writer (or pseudo archaeologist, whatever you want to call him), that mostly talks about a lost civilisation, but who in turns also hijacks the hypothesis above. So in hand sight one might think the theory and Hancock are the same things but it isn’t, I wanted to clear that out.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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GordoDeCentral

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That was a tough read, but interesting theories. I've heard about the magnetic pole shifts being a possible cause of mass extinction events. Some say another one could be not far off because of acceleration of magnetic North pole drift. Fringe view of course :D


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Glad you enjoyed it, and yes it was a bit difficult to follow, but i like to read his stuff check here how he compares the current weather opnion with text from epic of gilgamesh(don't worry this one is a breeze lol)

https://theethicalskeptic.com/tag/flood/
 

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Sorry i think I'm doing a bad job properly expressing my point. I wholeheartedly believe/know there is knowledge, very important and concequential knowledge, that exists and is only privy to a very select few. We the general public are not allowed to know about it.

Also lols at the sarin joke
Ok, I gotcha now.

Yes, I could see keeping secrets. Things if exposed would ruin families, businesses, etc. So there's financial and prestige incentives involved for keeping it secret. Isn't that the story of the House of Savoy these days? Or a lot of murder plots, for sure.

But keeping secrets of things like Egyptian technology that might be useful? That doesn't add up at all for me. That's akin to Elon Musk sitting on ideas for new launch rockets and keeping them from seeing the light of day. There's no way that's happening if people could personally benefit from that knowledge.

Otherwise it's on the level of Martin Shkreli's copy of "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin". Which might be a good album. But I wouldn't call it consequential.

There's always the UFO aliens business where supposedly government insiders are afraid that humans would freak out to holy hell if they learned some alien spaceship crashed in Nevada. I'm skeptical of those motivations ... people are more likely to freak out over Musk's DOGE and Teslas.

The well is also poisoned with so many fakes that it oddly seems like the reverse of the "where there's smoke, there's fire" saying. That "where there's mass mythological fraud found, the less likely there are factual origins behind it". The snake oil industry does not thrive where there are legitimate cures.


That was a tough read, but interesting theories. I've heard about the magnetic pole shifts being a possible cause of mass extinction events. Some say another one could be not far off because of acceleration of magnetic North pole drift. Fringe view of course :D


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There are natural cycles, and the 23,000 year axis spin would be one of them. Theoretically it's why we don't celebrate Christmas on New Years. But mass extinction events? The last major one was in the Eocene–Oligocene -- some 34 million years ago. It's not like the magnetic pole hasn't shifted since then.

Much more likely is human alteration of the planet.
 
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Ok, I gotcha now.

Yes, I could see keeping secrets. Things if exposed would ruin families, businesses, etc. So there's financial and prestige incentives involved for keeping it secret. Isn't that the story of the House of Savoy these days? Or a lot of murder plots, for sure.

But keeping secrets of things like Egyptian technology that might be useful? That doesn't add up at all for me. That's akin to Elon Musk sitting on ideas for new launch rockets and keeping them from seeing the light of day. There's no way that's happening if people could personally benefit from that knowledge.
My theory is that often we simply don’t have the full explanation yet, therefore it’s very rational that the conventional explanation is conservative instead of sensational.

Just a silly example of a narrative that shifted: when we went to school we learned that slaves build the pyramids, while it’s really recent (15/20 years) consensus that it were skilled workers who lived a good life for the standard of that age.

Add to that the fact that we haven’t fully excavated many sites yet (Gobekli Tepe is around 5%), including many sides which are now under water. Might add cosmology to this nuance too.

In turn all of this gives room for alternative, and often fun theories, like the water erosion on the Sphinx.
 

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My theory is that often we simply don’t have the full explanation yet, therefore it’s very rational that the conventional explanation is conservative instead of sensational.

Just a silly example of a narrative that shifted: when we went to school we learned that slaves build the pyramids, while it’s really recent (15/20 years) consensus that it were skilled workers who lived a good life for the standard of that age.

Add to that the fact that we haven’t fully excavated many sites yet (Gobekli Tepe is around 5%), including many sides which are now under water. Might add cosmology to this nuance too.

In turn all of this gives room for alternative, and often fun theories, like the water erosion on the Sphinx.
My main thesis there is the egoism of modern man, who believes it is the evolutionary pinnacle of all creation, intelligence, all superiority. It is a kind of colonialism expressed across time rather than space.

We are born in many cultures (not all) that like to believe in some progressivist, purposeful evolution of humanity, rendering all man and beasts who came before as primitive idiots. Ideas that shake that narrative threaten this safety blanket we hold among ourselves.

Clearly when confronted with new information we can change that narrative. But that is the general bias we operate within.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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There are natural cycles, and the 23,000 year axis spin would be one of them. Theoretically it's why we don't celebrate Christmas on New Years. But mass extinction events? The last major one was in the Eocene–Oligocene -- some 34 million years ago. It's not like the magnetic pole hasn't shifted since then.

Much more likely is human alteration of the planet.
Do you mean the Milankovitch cycle? I meant flipping of the magnetic poles.

Maybe mass extinction was the wrong term, but an event like Younger Dryas where there was an extinction of megafauna (not saying this was the cause)
 

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L'autista
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Do you mean the Milankovitch cycle? I meant flipping of the magnetic poles.

Maybe mass extinction was the wrong term, but an event like Younger Dryas where there was an extinction of megafauna (not saying this was the cause)
Both will have advocates like some wannabe Incas.

But the last pole flip I believe was 780,000 years ago, which is still <<< 34 million years ago
 

Bianconero81

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@Bianconero81 you in Bangkok still bro? Heard things been a bit shaky.
I'm good. I thought I was experiencing an extreme form of vertigo, but then I heard some cracking, creaking, and crackling sounds, then a few neighbors screaming, and so I grabbed my phones, cards, a bottle of water, and I darted down the stairs. 3 hours later, I was walking up 16 flights of stairs. I'm not taking the elevator for a while.

It felt like that Viking Ship ride at the theme park, like a Martini (shaken not stirred), or a dumpling being tossed around in a bowl of soup.
 

JuveJay

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I'm good. I thought I was experiencing an extreme form of vertigo, but then I heard some cracking, creaking, and crackling sounds, then a few neighbors screaming, and so I grabbed my phones, cards, a bottle of water, and I darted down the stairs. 3 hours later, I was walking up 16 flights of stairs. I'm not taking the elevator for a while.

It felt like that Viking Ship ride at the theme park, like a Martini (shaken not stirred), or a dumpling being tossed around in a bowl of soup.
Weird isn't it what the brain does when your balance is out. Glad you're OK.
 

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