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[Seven]

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2...se-despite-row-over-medal-snub-for-black-girl

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The google search does not answer my question lol

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I read it, sir. What i have a problem with is that "black" characterization is only mentioned if there is some perceived, mostly mistaken, grievance. Otherwise it's youths, teens, joggers... And this is what creates this environment of "optics" that destroys peoples lives over nothing.

You misinterpreted what I said.

It's the only black girl in a row of kids and she is treated differently. If this were the other way around, I'd see it that way too.

I understand where you're coming from. It's a bad idea both for black people (who can feel wrongfully victimized) and the people who meant no harm. But to me it doesn't just look like racism because she happens to be black. I might also add to that that in most parts of Europe I'd say racism is much more obvious towards muslims and people of North African descent.

 

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The google search does not answer my question lol

Actually, it kind of does.

I'm not saying that race-baiting is always the case where racism is suspected. But there are some real dubious details here. One is that it came up 18 months after the fact... and that much further away from when BLM protests were marching the streets. Strange oversight back then, no?

Another is that the girl may have been wrongly denied a medal for the 'gram, but she left the event with medal in hand and apologies were issued.

So yeah, some potentially blatant racism on the part of someone at the event. But that the efforts to rectify it happened at that same event and were somehow dropped from the narrative 18 months later. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

Sadly, it discredits a lot about what might be shown because of what might be withheld when the story is replayed much, much later.

I'm afraid that a lot of online peeps trying to go viral have raised my dubious flag far in the other direction these days. None of them know sh*t about what actually happened, all of them seem to be trying to start up sh*t, and there is zero context.

Once again, we have legal systems with courts of cross-examination to settle differences of perspective when illegal abuses are shown. But them Internetz has no checks and balances. And the more outrageous the assumption, the better it's meme capacity to spread.

 

[Seven]

Actually, it kind of does.

I'm not saying that race-baiting is always the case where racism is suspected. But there are some real dubious details here. One is that it came up 18 months after the fact... and that much further away from when BLM protests were marching the streets. Strange oversight back then, no?

Another is that the girl may have been wrongly denied a medal for the 'gram, but she left the event with medal in hand and apologies were issued.

So yeah, some potentially blatant racism on the part of someone at the event. But that the efforts to rectify it happened at that same event and were somehow dropped from the narrative 18 months later. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

Sadly, it discredits a lot about what might be shown because of what might be withheld when the story is replayed much, much later.

I'm afraid that a lot of online peeps trying to go viral have raised my dubious flag far in the other direction these days. None of them know sh*t about what actually happened, all of them seem to be trying to start up sh*t, and there is zero context.

Once again, we have legal systems with courts of cross-examination to settle differences of perspective when illegal abuses are shown. But them Internetz has no checks and balances. And the more outrageous the assumption, the better it's meme capacity to spread.

Kind of, sort of, almost..

I don't know. The article is so vague.

So the judge sent a letter. But she never explained why she failed to see the black girl. It seems as if she says it's an honest mistake, but how? The girl was right there. And then there's the behavior of association. Why would they withhold the apology? That seems so odd.

But, like I insinuated initially, it's tough to believe it was actually racist. I mean, true racism is usually more subtle these days.

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Once again, we have legal systems with courts of cross-examination to settle differences of perspective when illegal abuses are shown. But them Internetz has no checks and balances. And the more outrageous the assumption, the better it's meme capacity to spread.

I'm not judging the woman, but clearly we need courts to deal with serious cases. I mean, if it was racist, it was a pretty bad experience for the girl. But she was even laughing about it in the video. People are insulted every day and a lot of the time their physical characteristics are referenced to to hurt them. Let's not go to court over every single insult.

 

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Kind of, sort of, almost..

I don't know. The article is so vague.

So the judge sent a letter. But she never explained why she failed to see the black girl. It seems as if she says it's an honest mistake, but how? The girl was right there. And then there's the behavior of association. Why would they withhold the apology? That seems so odd.

But, like I insinuated initially, it's tough to believe it was actually racist. I mean, true racism is usually more subtle these days.

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I'm not judging the woman, but clearly we need courts to deal with serious cases. I mean, if it was racist, it was a pretty bad experience for the girl. But she was even laughing about it in the video. People are insulted every day and a lot of the time their physical characteristics are referenced to to hurt them. Let's not go to court over every single insult.

But subtle racism, especially subtle racism that is eventually confronted or addressed after the offense, gets zero shares.

This is just gamified attention hacking. The ignorance you keep, and the information you withhold, are essential components to getting attention and distribution. The more outrageous, the better.

Which is why I've long said that documentaries are the new fake news, as they give you the veneer of unbiased storytelling all the while omitting details and complexity that leads you down a desired rabbit hole of judgement. Because complexity doesn't sell when you can omit enough to look like extreme injustice is outrageously at play.

 

[Seven]

But subtle racism, especially subtle racism that is eventually confronted or addressed after the offense, gets zero shares.

This is just gamified attention hacking. The ignorance you keep, and the information you withhold, are essential components to getting attention and distribution. The more outrageous, the better.

Which is why I've long said that documentaries are the new fake news, as they give you the veneer of unbiased storytelling all the while omitting details and complexity that leads you down a desired rabbit hole of judgement. Because complexity doesn't sell when you can omit enough to look like extreme injustice is outrageously at play.

Well.

I understand your point. I do. But I think it's the wrong way of looking at documentaries. Essentially you should understand they all have an angle. A documentary is never news. A documentary wants to convince you of an opinion. And that's not necessarily wrong. It's okay to present evidence in such a way that it supports what you believe.

 

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Well.

I understand your point. I do. But I think it's the wrong way of looking at documentaries. Essentially you should understand they all have an angle. A documentary is never news. A documentary wants to convince you of an opinion. And that's not necessarily wrong. It's okay to present evidence in such a way that it supports what you believe.

100%

I am just surprised that it took 18 months for someone to finally hack the narrative formula to tell the story in the right way to finally give it viral self-propagation capabilities. That should have been achievable a year ago.

 

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Well.

I understand your point. I do. But I think it's the wrong way of looking at documentaries. Essentially you should understand they all have an angle. A documentary is never news. A documentary wants to convince you of an opinion. And that's not necessarily wrong. It's okay to present evidence in such a way that it supports what you believe.

What do you this one was about? Are curly fries coded racial language? https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jack-box-employee-shoots-customers-045333220.html

 

[Osman]

You have no idea the impetus of this event is actually racism. "Looks like racism" is simply you using pattern recognition to deduce this is a case of racism. I'll grant you this is racism if you use the same pattern recognition to concede most blacks are violent.

Wtf?

 

[Seven]

Wtf?

Please don't hurt us, angry black man.

 

[Osman]

No seriously, no joke, genuinely wtf?

 

[Seven]

No seriously, no joke, genuinely wtf?

I'm not sure this is a debate you want to start, because I can see where this is going to go and it's not a good place.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Maybe the black girl is allergic for medals.

 

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The google search does not answer my question lol

I thought it was just me.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

No seriously, no joke, genuinely wtf?

What makes one discount the million other possibilities in this instance: maybe the kid is a bitch, maybe her dad slept with the wife of the guy organizing this... And cry racism so assuredly?

 

[Osman]

What makes one discount the million other possibilities in this instance: maybe the kid is a bitch, maybe her dad slept with the wife of the guy organizing this... And cry racism so assuredly?

Wtf is nonsense?

Dozen of little girls there, EVERYONE gets participation medals. She looks straight at her, walks by her, the only black girl amongst the kids, goes on to the half dozen after her. Then runs out of medals, goes to get more, comes back, still looks at the confused little girls, and keeps handing out to the rest again.


Instead of see the possible discrimination (because how is it a mistake? She looked at her and ignored her multiple times), you utter that nonsense?


It's a small child in a sporting event that should feel safe and taken care of like the rest being made to feel like she doesn't belong (and you find it more likely a small child is a bitch over facing possible discrimination?).


It's peculiar this triggered you?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Wtf is nonsense?

Dozen of little girls there, EVERYONE gets participation medals. She looks straight at her, walks by her, the only black girl amongst the kids, goes on to the half dozen after her. Then runs out of medals, goes to get more, comes back, still looks at the confused little girls, and keeps handing out to the rest again.


Instead of see the possible discrimination (because how is it a mistake? She looked at her and ignored her multiple times), you utter that nonsense?


It's a small child in a sporting event that should feel safe and taken care of like the rest being made to feel like she doesn't belong.


It's peculiar this triggered you?

Great, if you take these "optics" as being 100% proof of racism, then use the very same pattern recognition logic with crime stats and videos. Like seven said, you are not going to like the answer.

 

[Osman]

Great, if you take these "optics" as being 100% proof of racism, then use the very same pattern recognition logic with crime stats and videos. Like seven said, you are not going to like the answer.

You are friggin moron.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You are friggin moron.

We can't all churn up posts with coherence like "wtf nonsense"

 

[Osman]

We can't all churn up posts with coherence like "wtf nonsense"

You genuinely are a moron. litterally writing almost verbatim same deflection rhetorics the skinheads racist here in Sweden write whenever similar stuff comes up. Quick with whataboutism about crime stats in the US, when the topic is possibility of Irish black child being discriminated in a friggin sporting event.

It's either a mistake and oversight by the volunteer worker, but how? Looks straight at her multiple times and ignores her? Or its overt case of discrimination, which is unusual in this day and age, as Seven said actual racism tends to be more subtle.


Lets ignore for a second being cynical or jaded by shitty media or viral clicks 18 months later (they as organisation had 1 year to address it and more or less ignored the family until recently). And focus on the sitaution itself. Dozen white girls, 1 black child, everyone gets medals for their swimming but one. Is just extreme randomness she is the only child to be blatantly ignored in front of everyone?


Reasons you find more viable:

1. Little kid is a bitch

2. Her father slept with the wife of the organiser

3. All black people are violent (oh btw still wtf you genuine fucking moron).

4. Far far down the list and most likely impossible, the volunteer worker handing out the medals is an Irish bigot who seem confident enough in her job status to think she will get away with blatant discrimination of a child.


It's a teachable and unfortunate moment for the little kid either way, what's more concerning then this the family needing to contact the police because they feel threatened after this.

 

[JuveJay]

I mean, it's pretty shit for any kid to be in that situation, but it does happen. I vividly remember missing out a couple of times as a kid in similar circumstances. Might explain why I pretty much hate everyone now.

I'd like to give the organisers/those involved the benefit of the doubt that it was a genuine mistake, especially considering that so many were in attendance and watching, if not it's pretty awful and brazen.

Ireland isn't the most ethnically diverse place but you'd have to be some sort of special cunt to do that on purpose.