What Are You Doing Right Now? (177 Viewers)

[ALC]

What’s with the alcohol hate? It’sa great thing to drink responsibly, plus beer and wine are delicious

 

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[Seven]

What’s with the alcohol hate? It’sa great thing to drink responsibly, plus beer and wine are delicious

They are delicious and I do indulge every once in a while. But I'm sure lots of people really like cigarettes too. It's weird to constantly stress how bad drugs and tobacco are for people, but then not act the same way about alcohol.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That's not literal pepperoni? Coz all i mentioned was alcohol and porn.

Listen, Randy. I am the liquor.

 

[Osman]

I hope so, personally I think this is a great thing and an overall net positive for society. From what I've read, younger generations also drink a lot less on average than older ones as well.

In sweden if you dont drink, you basically a weirdo, the scandi/north european culture social fabric culture is heavily alcohol based (without alcohol they wouldnt look strangers in the eyes). Like there's no other form of partying.

But yeah I too would say younger generation currently drink less then what my generation did in our teens. But its not all good, I notice that this current gen of youngsters are WAY more likely to do drugs, like its more socially acceptable to to designer drugs in parties then before. Used to be rare hush hush thing you did in back alley or bathroom. Been too many parties last few years when I'm openly offered shit like its as normal as water. As recent as saturday, we took out our niece who graduated to a club, and was offered twice after less then 2 minute convos smh.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

They are delicious and I do indulge every once in a while. But I'm sure lots of people really like cigarettes too. It's weird to constantly stress how bad drugs and tobacco are for people, but then not act the same way about alcohol.

I know this isn't as big a deal in many parts of the world, but if you're going on the "health" reasoning, processed foods are much higher cause of medical problems than tobacco and alcohol.

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Whose pepperoni?

I stole it from Ricky.

 

[swag]

What’s with the alcohol hate? It’sa great thing to drink responsibly, plus beer and wine are delicious

I never understood the cold turkey types. If you don't like it, that's tots fine. But some people give it too much power. Alcohol in moderation is no big deal and plays among the many fermented things in human civilization that make life enjoyable. The problem is when you go off the deep end.

Because that's the problem: it's not the alcohol itself. The problem is self control.

People who like alcohol and go cold turkey strike me a bit like the gay men who join the priesthood to "cure" themselves of their homosexuality. You're not confronting the problem, you're merely hiding from it and pretending it doesn't exist. And we all know how that works out.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I know this isn't as big a deal in many parts of the world, but if you're going on the "health" reasoning, processed foods are much higher cause of medical problems than tobacco and alcohol.

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I stole it from Ricky.

If there's distillation it's processed buddy

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You know exactly what I mean.

 

[Osman]

Yeah that's just semantics for the sake of it. Distillation is par the course for making alcohol.


But heavy focus on processed food isn't, its done to cut cost and give you more unheathly food because its cheaper and more profitable for them to make it.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Yeah that's just semantics for the sake of it. Distillation is par the course for making alcohol.


But heavy focus on processed food isn't, its done to cut cost and give you more unheathly food because its cheaper and more profitable for them to make it.

No it's not. Distillation means you are going way beyond naturally occuring alcohol levels. Completely altering the product for far more potency. Same thing you would do to a food to make it last longer. Both are processed, both are more harmful by the process.

 

[Seven]

I know this isn't as big a deal in many parts of the world, but if you're going on the "health" reasoning, processed foods are much higher cause of medical problems than tobacco and alcohol.

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I stole it from Ricky.

I think it's only a matter of time before food companies will be held liable.

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

No it's not. Distillation means you are going way beyond naturally occuring alcohol levels. Completely altering the product for far more potency. Same thing you would do to a food to make it last longer. Both are processed, both are more harmful by the process.

You're going to be pissed when you hear about what they do with crude oil.

 

[Seven]

I never understood the cold turkey types. If you don't like it, that's tots fine. But some people give it too much power. Alcohol in moderation is no big deal and plays among the many fermented things in human civilization that make life enjoyable. The problem is when you go off the deep end.

Because that's the problem: it's not the alcohol itself. The problem is self control.

People who like alcohol and go cold turkey strike me a bit like the gay men who join the priesthood to "cure" themselves of their homosexuality. You're not confronting the problem, you're merely hiding from it and pretending it doesn't exist. And we all know how that works out.

I'm sorry, but we don't use this argument with drugs and tobacco.

I think it's too easy, because it has been long established that some people get addicted more easily.

But even if we assume it's about self control, that still doesn't mean we as a society shouldn't treat it as the toxic substance that it is. And I don't mean ban it outright. But I do mean warning people about it. The same way we do with tobacco.

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[ALC]

I'm sorry, but we don't use this argument with drugs and tobacco.

I think it's too easy, because it has been long established that some people get addicted more easily.

But even if we assume it's about self control, that still doesn't mean we as a society shouldn't treat it as the toxic substance that it is. And I don't mean ban it outright. But I do mean warning people about it. The same way we do with tobacco.

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there’s an age limit to buying/consuming alcohol and there’s plenty of warning on the bottles/etc. people becoming alcoholics is on them at the end of the day. But you can’t ban something just because people abuse it. What’s next then, banning sugar?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

At the end of the day, everything should be legal and we should encourage overuse to have less people on the planet. People who tend to overuse any type of substance typically are not economically viable persons. Let 'em OD.

 

[U Picciriddu]

there’s an age limit to buying/consuming alcohol and there’s plenty of warning on the bottles/etc. people becoming alcoholics is on them at the end of the day. But you can’t ban something just because people abuse it. What’s next then, banning sugar?

Tax the unhealthy stuff, don’t tax (or tax less) the healthy stuff.

 

[swag]

I'm sorry, but we don't use this argument with drugs and tobacco.

I think it's too easy, because it has been long established that some people get addicted more easily.

But even if we assume it's about self control, that still doesn't mean we as a society shouldn't treat it as the toxic substance that it is. And I don't mean ban it outright. But I do mean warning people about it. The same way we do with tobacco.

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With alcohol we focus on more immediate death -- liver failure, car crashes -- rather than longer mental decline and a diseased liver. The latter two probably having more in common with drugs and tobacco. But again, I don't think being absolutist is the play. I touched drugs a few times in my youth and have otherwise been clean my whole life. That doesn't mean there isn't a role for it for some lives.

A friend of a friend is on Special K treatment, but she's got some depression issues that are hard to shake. And there has been evidence that even the most disconnected psychopath race warriors suddenly feel a lot more connected with a dose or two of psilocybin. A lot of these so-called toxins have actually played a regulated social role in human societies of the past for constructive, and not just self-destructive, reasons.

But we do warn people about alcohol though. The US has required them since 1989.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

There also are advertisement and marketing limitations for tobacco and alcohol.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

In sweden if you dont drink, you basically a weirdo, the scandi/north european culture social fabric culture is heavily alcohol based (without alcohol they wouldnt look strangers in the eyes). Like there's no other form of partying.

But yeah I too would say younger generation currently drink less then what my generation did in our teens. But its not all good, I notice that this current gen of youngsters are WAY more likely to do drugs, like its more socially acceptable to to designer drugs in parties then before. Used to be rare hush hush thing you did in back alley or bathroom. Been too many parties last few years when I'm openly offered shit like its as normal as water. As recent as saturday, we took out our niece who graduated to a club, and was offered twice after less then 2 minute convos smh.

I'm naturally heavily introverted and will do anything to keep from attracting attention to myself so I get it, but that's extreme and a huge problem in itself. It's not my country or my culture but it even sounds intensely wrong. Depending on how many parties or events my friends have, I'll drink maybe 3-4 times a year, but I'll never think it's acceptable to use as a crutch like that.

As for the designer drugs, yes this is worse and I think a natural consequence of the push for the decriminalization of the "mainstream" drugs (not saying that's wrong necessarily). From my personal experience, I see it a lot with """"harmless"""" things such as marijuana and increasingly mushrooms. If you go an read any article or social media post where there is even anything somewhat negative reported around these two, you'll have legions of people jumping from all directions to defend them as though you've insulted their God. Sure maybe they're not chemically addictive, but there's clearly a strong psychologically addictive aspect if people are basing their entire lifestyles around a substance.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

With alcohol we focus on more immediate death -- liver failure, car crashes -- rather than longer mental decline and a diseased liver. The latter two probably having more in common with drugs and tobacco. But again, I don't think being absolutist is the play. I touched drugs a few times in my youth and have otherwise been clean my whole life. That doesn't mean there isn't a role for it for some lives.

A friend of a friend is on Special K treatment, but she's got some depression issues that are hard to shake. And there has been evidence that even the most disconnected psychopath race warriors suddenly feel a lot more connected with a dose or two of psilocybin. A lot of these so-called toxins have actually played a regulated social role in human societies of the past for constructive, and not just self-destructive, reasons.

But we do warn people about alcohol though. The US has required them since 1989.

The problem with alcohol is the ubiquity and super normalization of its (ab)use. I'm sure the friend is getting their k treatment under doctor supervision, it's not sold at 7-11.