Dostoevsky

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Yeah, but then you'd still be "working". I guess my point is that you need to do something, stay active.

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Yet it's true. But I will admit my definition of "work" is broad. I include volunteering for example.
Totally agreed, then. I also think when people retire and decide to pretty much give up life, mainly watching TV and reducing activity to a bare minimum, that they are quite fragile and it's when everything starts to fall apart. Pretty sad/scary, but it's like they (some) give up on life.
 

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AFL_ITALIA

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They still die shortly after they retire. Retirement makes people weak and frail.

Unless of course you mean retirement in the sense of finding something else to do and maybe earn a little less. I think I'm at a point in my life where I do want to have some sort of purpose in my days.
The act of retirement itself doesn't do that though, it's lifestyle choices. I hope you don't plan on working forever.
 

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My dad retired maybe 6 years ago and he has since become a right wing conspiracy nut. Also tries to wash or do maintenance on my car every time I come over. He buys firearms and high end motorcycles then cleans them everyday and doesn't use them I think he's bored, kind of without purpose, and he does seem like a different person.
 

Seven

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The act of retirement itself doesn't do that though, it's lifestyle choices. I hope you don't plan on working forever.
It depends on how you define work. I can see myself doing something I enjoy more for less money.

But truth be told, I quite like my job. I'm also partner these days, which means I am self employed, and that helps. I go to court all over the country, meet lots of people, it's pretty nice.

I can imagine the stress and adrenaline rushes getting to me in twenty years or so though.

And I will say this: I think we link social status way too much with the job people do for a living.
 

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Besides health there's barely anything more valuable than free time. Unfortunately, since many are not aware of themselves, their dreams and desires, they find the free time closely tied to boredom. That's why many can't wait to go back to work (excluding the minority that really loves their job, which I really respect IF the job itself has some meaning unlike majority of the job, but imo that's <5% and opposite to what mainstream says and promotes) or back to school, as plenty of people don't know how to manage their time so they need somebody in charge to spank their ass, which is quite scary and weird. Life is so great and full of interesting things, I would love to be unemployed and live it. That doesn't mean having billions on the account. I could bare the minimal/enough standards, but also surely doesn't mean lazy. It would be great to dedicate time to things which I find valuable. Unfortunately, there's only so much time available, but it's so precious.
 

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Besides health there's barely anything more valuable than free time. Unfortunately, since many are not aware of themselves, their dreams and desires, they find the free time closely tied to boredom. That's why many can't wait to go back to work (excluding the minority that really loves their job, which I really respect IF the job itself has some meaning unlike majority of the job, but imo that's <5% and opposite to what mainstream says and promotes) or back to school, as plenty of people don't know how to manage their time so they need somebody in charge to spank their ass, which is quite scary and weird. Life is so great and full of interesting things, I would love to be unemployed and live it. That doesn't mean having billions on the account. I could bare the minimal/enough standards, but also surely doesn't mean lazy. It would be great to dedicate time to things which I find valuable. Unfortunately, there's only so much time available, but it's so precious.

Work and the like numb the pain of regret and lack of purpose. "Why am i here?" Ought to be one of the first question an adult needs to answer, but most of us are rushed to the grind and it just becomes a second nature. But the lack of answer for that question does catch up with us.
 

Dostoevsky

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Work and the like numb the pain of regret and lack of purpose. "Why am i here?" Ought to be one of the first question an adult needs to answer, but most of us are rushed to the grind and it just becomes a second nature. But the lack of answer for that question does catch up with us.
Totally agreed. But people need to be aware that most of the time it's their fault they are not aware of life, if anything. The modern world has changed the game. Look at us. You wake up, go to work, gym (headphones), if you drive you pay attention to the street. When you get home you do some cleaning, routine stuff, then start digesting social media. When you prepare food you listen/watch something, when you eat you do the same, when you shit you do the same. When you want to relax you read (rarely), watch movies/tv shows, etc. Then you hit the bed, shutting down your thoughs (which thoughts...) and sleep. When do people think? You just don't have any time really. You're too busy numbing the pain with unimportant things. And let's face it, most of it really is unimportant. Look how the world used to be. I'm not saying it was great, it surely had plenty of flaws. But you had less traveling (with planes), you'd use horses. You had no phones, Internet, etc. So it's only natural that people would spend more time socialising and thinking. Imo that by default means people were way more mature compared to day because they'd face rough life early on.

And no, morons shouldn't think I'm writing how it used to be better because, yeah, I know the old world had many flaws, just like I know that today's "evil things" also bring good things with it. However, I do think that people are bigger morons nowadays.
 

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It depends on how you define work. I can see myself doing something I enjoy more for less money.

But truth be told, I quite like my job. I'm also partner these days, which means I am self employed, and that helps. I go to court all over the country, meet lots of people, it's pretty nice.

I can imagine the stress and adrenaline rushes getting to me in twenty years or so though.

And I will say this: I think we link social status way too much with the job people do for a living.
I'm glad you enjoy it. Having that dynamic aspect surely helps with that I would imagine. But as you said, how long can you be willing to put up with the stress? That has to take it's toll eventually as well.
 

Seven

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Like all those dumb Armenian bitches and not having a job.
Lol.

But in general it's true. We look up to doctors, lawyers and engineers. And of course they can do great things. But you have guys slaving away at factories and still finding the time to be great fathers to their children and they get much less recognition.
 

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