What Are You Doing Right Now? (158 Viewers)

GordoDeCentral

GordoDeCentral

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swag said:
This got me thinking about holding the last line of shame against the onslaught.

In a time of Disney Adults, shame seems like the only thing still keeping adults from breastfeeding off their moms.
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Yeah group psych is a trip, i mean at some point you and i were the cool ones, but the lines moved and we didnt. But that's the thing, being cool can't be reason enough to ignore everything inside that screams this is just wrong. And then you got the whole mantra of "as long as it doesn't affect me now", which is really just an invitation for even more encroachment. So only a matter of time before the cascading consequences eventually do.
 

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Jun 25, 2003
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GordoDeCentral said:
In my very humble opinion, delayed gratification is immensely underrated. We are constantly pressured to give in to temptation, "do what feels good now" is the very basis of the marketing business. With smart phones this became exponentially worse, it's a constant raising of the bar for our happiness hormones. So a lot of the depression we see is just a case of put down the phone/vidya/weed for 3 days.

Obviously some addiction, especially substance one like alcohol, has a genetic element to it, so there should be more demonizing of the activity to dissuade one from even trying it. So a lot more education on how evil things like alcohol, drugs, and gambling are as opposed to the social acceptance of it that we see today. A bit of social shaming for these activities needs to make a comeback too imho
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I believe this is vastly underestimated.

People who don't suffer from addiction issues like to believe they are more strong willed. I don't think that's true at all. They're just lucky in the sense that they don't get addicted easily.

For instance I eat a lot of chocolate. What can I say, I just really love chocolate. I eat it every day. Now if I'm on holiday, I don't even think about. I go for three weeks without it even entering my mind. Same goes for alcohol, I could go for months without it and not really notice it. You mentioned the phone. I'm on it all the time. If I'm on holiday I usually forget I have it with me. None of this has to do with mental fortitude. You don't have to be strong to not do something, if you're not thinking about it. People who struggle with addiction though think about it all the time. It's an almost impossible task to say no every second of every day.

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i feel people underrate the role of trauma in addiction and in general life. Everyone has traumatic experiences in one way or another, not just war veterans and these experiences effect your subconscious animal mind for years, possibly the rest of your life. Trauma may have once been a useful tool, they say early humans survived off of two things: fear and lust, but how useful is trauma now in modern society? I think most people fail to understand or deal with it in a healthy way and it is a major driver behind addictive behaviors and abnormal psychology, other self destructive behaviors

It is so powerfully imprinting on people, to get you to avoid where the lions live,but what effect does it have on the 21st century human, where you can take opiates to make those bad feelings go away. its natural to seek relief from those fears/ feelings why addiction is so prevalent and such a hard problem to solve

Really the only thing I've heard of that seems to make any sort of consistent progress on addiction is ibogaine
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Maybe.

But we have trivialized the word 'trauma' and now it is meaningless. Women who are addressed with "honey" claim post traumatic stress disorder. No, honey, shellshock is post traumatic stress disorder.
 
swag

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Dru said:
Eliezer Yudkowsky
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I loved that the search's first hits included a video titled "We’re All Gonna Die with Eliezer Yudkowsky". :howler:

I know he's behind LessWrong, but I realize that I'd been a past follower only on the LessWrong substack... which has gone quiet during Covid.

He seems to make me feel like an optimist. But I respect that. I've long ago learned from futures designers, through speculative design, that provoking negative reactions early on an idea is a bit like socially beta testing vaporware. It serves a purpose to have a little Cassandra panic before you walk right into the bear trap.
 
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swag said:
I loved that the search's first hits included a video titled "We’re All Gonna Die with Eliezer Yudkowsky". :howler:

I know he's behind LessWrong, but I realize that I'd been a past follower only on the LessWrong substack... which has gone quiet during Covid.

He seems to make me feel like an optimist. But I respect that. I've long ago learned from futures designers, through speculative design, that provoking negative reactions early on an idea is a bit like socially beta testing vaporware. It serves a purpose to have a little Cassandra panic before you walk right into the bear trap.
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It's very much classic tuz "WE'RE DOOOOMED" vibes

Eliezer doesn't mince words or emotions about it either. He basically says we're fvcked.
 
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