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L'autista
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at least you don’t feel tied to the galley of a ship
Depends on whether it's a February ship or an October ship.

I'm most offended by the soundtrack.

It's been like 8 months since I started working with gamblers and that's really scary. Luckily it's all online but seeing how people throw their money away is nothing but scary. If you have anybody around you that you care for and respect, try to get them out of that rabbit hole. That's just totally destroying people and families. So many closed accounts due to gambling addictions because they have lost tons of money, etc. Scary and horrible. Sometimes I feel like shit knowing what I'm doing to earn money.
Are you breaking legs now? Damn, son.
 

GordoDeCentral

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It's been like 8 months since I started working with gamblers and that's really scary. Luckily it's all online but seeing how people throw their money away is nothing but scary. If you have anybody around you that you care for and respect, try to get them out of that rabbit hole. That's just totally destroying people and families. So many closed accounts due to gambling addictions because they have lost tons of money, etc. Scary and horrible. Sometimes I feel like shit knowing what I'm doing to earn money.
You a good man dusko
 

Dostoevsky

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Wait, what do you do?

And honestly, like any type of addict, it's the top 5% of persons who are 95% of the issue. Similar to how the top 5% of people who drink are 95% of total alcohol sales.
Started off as a CS for an online casino where majority of our customers are from the US. I provide support via chat and E-mail only. Recently I was (kind of) promoted so I was given to run a VIP with one more guy, so now I'm more into analysis and reaching out for some special deals/awards. But ever since I started doing analysis I started getting sick looking at the figures. Just like any other place, we have rookie gamblers but there are many good ones. And they all fucking lose when you look at the figures over the past 6-12 months. Plenty of things to learn, though, I find it quite valuable for my CV, especially as I'm running that pilot project, but I could never say I'm proud of my job. If anything I'd like to change it. But that's quite tough as these guys pay pretty good considering the average salary in my country.
 

GordoDeCentral

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@GordoDeCentral what do we think about the notion of addiction, depression , etc?
In my very humble opinion, delayed gratification is immensely underrated. We are constantly pressured to give in to temptation, "do what feels good now" is the very basis of the marketing business. With smart phones this became exponentially worse, it's a constant raising of the bar for our happiness hormones. So a lot of the depression we see is just a case of put down the phone/vidya/weed for 3 days.

Obviously some addiction, especially substance one like alcohol, has a genetic element to it, so there should be more demonizing of the activity to dissuade one from even trying it. So a lot more education on how evil things like alcohol, drugs, and gambling are as opposed to the social acceptance of it that we see today. A bit of social shaming for these activities needs to make a comeback too imho
 

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In my very humble opinion, delayed gratification is immensely underrated. We are constantly pressured to give in to temptation, "do what feels good now" is the very basis of the marketing business. With smart phones this became exponentially worse, it's a constant raising of the bar for our happiness hormones. So a lot of the depression we see is just a case of put down the phone/vidya/weed for 3 days.

Obviously some addiction, especially substance one like alcohol, has a genetic element to it, so there should be more demonizing of the activity to dissuade one from even trying it. So a lot more education on how evil things like alcohol, drugs, and gambling are as opposed to the social acceptance of it that we see today. A bit of social shaming for these activities needs to make a comeback too imho
We’re roughly on the same page here
 

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In my very humble opinion, delayed gratification is immensely underrated. We are constantly pressured to give in to temptation, "do what feels good now" is the very basis of the marketing business. With smart phones this became exponentially worse, it's a constant raising of the bar for our happiness hormones. So a lot of the depression we see is just a case of put down the phone/vidya/weed for 3 days.

Obviously some addiction, especially substance one like alcohol, has a genetic element to it, so there should be more demonizing of the activity to dissuade one from even trying it. So a lot more education on how evil things like alcohol, drugs, and gambling are as opposed to the social acceptance of it that we see today. A bit of social shaming for these activities needs to make a comeback too imho
i feel people underrate the role of trauma in addiction and in general life. Everyone has traumatic experiences in one way or another, not just war veterans and these experiences effect your subconscious animal mind for years, possibly the rest of your life. Trauma may have once been a useful tool, they say early humans survived off of two things: fear and lust, but how useful is trauma now in modern society? I think most people fail to understand or deal with it in a healthy way and it is a major driver behind addictive behaviors and abnormal psychology, other self destructive behaviors

It is so powerfully imprinting on people, to get you to avoid where the lions live,but what effect does it have on the 21st century human, where you can take opiates to make those bad feelings go away. its natural to seek relief from those fears/ feelings why addiction is so prevalent and such a hard problem to solve

Really the only thing I've heard of that seems to make any sort of consistent progress on addiction is ibogaine
 
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GordoDeCentral

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i feel people underrate the role of trauma in addiction and in general life. Everyone has traumatic experiences in one way or another, not just war veterans and these experiences effect your subconscious animal mind for years, possibly the rest of your life. Trauma may have once been a useful tool, they say early humans survived off of two things: fear and lust, but how useful is trauma now in modern society? I think most people fail to understand or deal with it in a healthy way and it is a major driver behind addictive behaviors and abnormal psychology, other self destructive behaviors

It is so powerfully imprinting on people, to get you to avoid where the lions live,but what effect does it have on the 21st century human, where you can take opiates to make those bad feelings go away. its natural to seek relief from those fears/ feelings why addiction is so prevalent and such a hard problem to solve

Really the only thing I've heard of that seems to make any sort of consistent progress on addiction is ibogaine
That actually reinforces my point, if you don't take drugs during the good times you sharply reduce the risk of falling into the addiction abyss in the bad ones. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have support systems for people who are battling addiction, but it ought to imho operate on the basis of personal responsibility: you fucked up, it's cool we got you if you want to get cleaned up, but you are not a victim, it's all on you.

Btw i dealt with this on a personal level a few times, some successfully others not so much.
 

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i feel people underrate the role of trauma in addiction and in general life. Everyone has traumatic experiences in one way or another, not just war veterans and these experiences effect your subconscious animal mind for years, possibly the rest of your life. Trauma may have once been a useful tool, they say early humans survived off of two things: fear and lust, but how useful is trauma now in modern society? I think most people fail to understand or deal with it in a healthy way and it is a major driver behind addictive behaviors and abnormal psychology, other self destructive behaviors

It is so powerfully imprinting on people, to get you to avoid where the lions live,but what effect does it have on the 21st century human, where you can take opiates to make those bad feelings go away. its natural to seek relief from those fears/ feelings why addiction is so prevalent and such a hard problem to solve

Really the only thing I've heard of that seems to make any sort of consistent progress on addiction is ibogaine
Given that scientific research has shown the trauma crosses generations for how it effects the epigenome, it's more than just the individual experience of trauma in terms of its origins and its impacts.

But to what @GordoDeCentral says. chemistry isn't a good crutch in good times and even worse in bad times. Some people with acute mental crises can be helped a little with chemistry on a momentary basis, but over the long term you never advance beyond that without doing the real psychological work of getting healthy and developing mental fortitude.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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In my very humble opinion, delayed gratification is immensely underrated. We are constantly pressured to give in to temptation, "do what feels good now" is the very basis of the marketing business. With smart phones this became exponentially worse, it's a constant raising of the bar for our happiness hormones. So a lot of the depression we see is just a case of put down the phone/vidya/weed for 3 days.

Obviously some addiction, especially substance one like alcohol, has a genetic element to it, so there should be more demonizing of the activity to dissuade one from even trying it. So a lot more education on how evil things like alcohol, drugs, and gambling are as opposed to the social acceptance of it that we see today. A bit of social shaming for these activities needs to make a comeback too imho
This got me thinking about holding the last line of shame against the onslaught.

In a time of Disney Adults, shame seems like the only thing still keeping adults from breastfeeding off their moms.
 

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