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Domestication has nothing to do with it, most dogs can survive their own. Way too cold is a new variable you just added. Dogs are great creatures but they are no different than the cow you eat or sheep you wear, actuality sometimes you wear dogs and you don't even know it. The disconnect with nature has convinced some poor souls that dogs are some mythical creatures which descended from the heavens, it's not.
Aren't dogs pack animals? I guess it could survive off of eating trash if its in a town but its not like a cat that if you just ditch it could live alone and completely support itself by hunting.

of course its not mythical but of course people value them higher than cows or sheep because they provide things those can't companionship, entertainment value etc.


and yea I wish i could get half as excited as my dog does about anything
@DAiDEViL thanks for the weird video. Gave me a chuckle



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Fr3sh

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:agree: lot of people don't deserve dogs, should be forced to have cats instead.


At first I thought he literally might've meant he was huffing Gorilla glue. Wouldn't surprise me.

Lot of teachers a degenerates. Carry on, Fresh :tup:

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Couldn't someone say the same about you?
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This made me laugh a lot harder than I should:lol:
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I can't stand people who tie up their dogs outside an establishment in cold while they are off inside doing whatever the fuck it is that is worth causing this poor thing to suffer outside.

Those people deserve to be treated as such

I don't know, man. Smaller dogs you can keep inside, but no way I'm ever allowing a labrador or a german shepherd to sleep in my living room.

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Taking a dog and domesticating it for hundreds then making it live somewhere that gets way too cold for it to have been there normally is not natural selection
Domestication has nothing to do with it, most dogs can survive their own.

Domestication and natural selection don't necessarily contradict each other. I bet there was a point in time when dogs who were courageous enough to stay near humans were rewarded with food and were more likely to have more offspring. That is natural selection, even when it's also a part of why they were domesticated.

I'd agree that a lot of dogs could survive on their own. They are still an animal with instincts strong enough to gather food. They probably wouldn't live as long or be as healthy and fat, but they'd still survive for quite some time. Tbh we're probably the only species of which many individuals could not provide for themselves.
 

Seven

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Many English and American people do have Disneyfied view on animals.

I particularly hate people who think animals are better than people.

They're not. Not only do we have self-awareness that is on an entirely different level, we also show far greater levels of compassion than any animal ever could. And to top it off we're number 1 on the food chain.

And number 2 ain't close.
 

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I particularly hate people who think animals are better than people.

They're not. Not only do we have self-awareness that is on an entirely different level, we also show far greater levels of compassion than any animal ever could. And to top it off we're number 1 on the food chain.

And number 2 ain't close.
While I agree with the first sentence, I can't really agree with the rest of the stuff that you said. Because, if so, and if people had awareness and compasssion, there wouldn't be any wars which are equivalent to hell. Or rapes, murders and even suicides.
 

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While I agree with the first sentence, I can't really agree with the rest of the stuff that you said. Because, if so, and if people had awareness and compasssion, there wouldn't be any wars which are equivalent to hell. Or rapes, murders and even suicides.
Humans do horrible stuff and are fully aware of it, yet they still do it :agree:
 

Seven

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While I agree with the first sentence, I can't really agree with the rest of the stuff that you said. Because, if so, and if people had awareness and compasssion, there wouldn't be any wars which are equivalent to hell. Or rapes, murders and even suicides.
Some people are monsters. But on the whole, mankind is actually pretty damn remarkable.

Btw, chimp tribes eat the young of other chimp tribes to scare them off. Not because they need them for food, but because they want to show what lengths they will go to to annihilate their opponents. Don't think animals can't be cruel.

Animals are better than some people tbh. Or some people are worse than animals to put it better.
Yeah, but my point was that, as a species, people are just better. There are psychopaths among us, no doubt. But in general, I think people dramatically underestimate the kindness and generosity of other people.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Some people are monsters. But on the whole, mankind is actually pretty damn remarkable.

Btw, chimp tribes eat the young of other chimp tribes to scare them off. Not because they need them for food, but because they want to show what lengths they will go to to annihilate their opponents. Don't think animals can't be cruel.



Yeah, but my point was that, as a species, people are just better. There are psychopaths among us, no doubt. But in general, I think people dramatically underestimate the kindness and generosity of other people.
The difference is they don't have the self awareness, as you said, to know right from wrong.
 

Seven

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The difference is they don't have the self awareness, as you said, to know right from wrong.
They don't. At least not really. But I don't agree with the notion that this lack of self awareness somehow makes them better than humans. In fact, I'd argue the exact opposite. People will sometimes refrain from doing something, because they know it will be cruel to others. Animals don't have this capacity.

I know what I'm saying isn't a very popular opinion and I am definitely against all forms of unnecessary suffering of animals, but I will always put human beings first.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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They don't. At least not really. But I don't agree with the notion that this lack of self awareness somehow makes them better than humans. In fact, I'd argue the exact opposite. People will sometimes refrain from doing something, because they know it will be cruel to others. Animals don't have this capacity.

I know what I'm saying isn't a very popular opinion and I am definitely against all forms of unnecessary suffering of animals, but I will always put human beings first.
Putting humans first in general is obvious, just there are too many out there who are less than dirt tbh. I'm pretty despondent about humanity these days.
 

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They don't. At least not really. But I don't agree with the notion that this lack of self awareness somehow makes them better than humans. In fact, I'd argue the exact opposite. People will sometimes refrain from doing something, because they know it will be cruel to others. Animals don't have this capacity.

I know what I'm saying isn't a very popular opinion and I am definitely against all forms of unnecessary suffering of animals, but I will always put human beings first.
Most animals are as self conscious as a kitchen table is. It has nothing to do popular opinion, one has to consistent in his reasoning. I have had dogs all throughout my life, but i never got attached to the point of losing perspective of what they are and where they stand in the hierarchy of life.
 

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Some people are monsters. But on the whole, mankind is actually pretty damn remarkable.

Btw, chimp tribes eat the young of other chimp tribes to scare them off. Not because they need them for food, but because they want to show what lengths they will go to to annihilate their opponents. Don't think animals can't be cruel.



Yeah, but my point was that, as a species, people are just better. There are psychopaths among us, no doubt. But in general, I think people dramatically underestimate the kindness and generosity of other people.
Of course they can be cruel, but not as crual as men to create massive destruction among others. Fish are quite similar, because in most of the cases they attack each 'race' or however you call it.

I could write about good things people do for hours, that's for sure, but the bad things are just as long. In fact, when you think about (bad/evil) stuff that people do, it's quite horrible.

Sure, a newly developed brain & amygdala can bring out brilliance, but the same brain and creative side of it also created bombs and sickness (given by bombings and depleted uranium) that not even new medicine, which the 'good brain' created, can't cure.

I think there's an ounce of good and an ounce of evil in every human being ever since the birth. And it's to the prenatal period, parenthood and society to shape it up. Surely, an individual is also who makes the difference to decide which path to take. Humans are much more complicated too, due to more developed brain and emapthy that animals generally lack.
 

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