What Are You Doing Right Now? (422 Viewers)

[Seven]

Definitely, that's why I said control and not condition or influence.

Tbh it downrigh scares me how easily ordinary humans can get accustomed to killings, at least according to soldier's diaries & testimonials.

Not unaffected by any means, often coming away with severe disorders, but that usually doesn't affect them in the act

It is scary. Before I went on to study law, I studied history at university. One of the things we studied was the level of violence in society. You see that, even though we might think it's the opposite, it's been a pretty linear decline throughout the last few centuries. I can't help but think that's part of why shellshock was suddeny a thing during WWI. Maybe people were just used to huge amounts of violence in earlier times.

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Or the other guy has a gun, but only ends up using it "in self defence" once you come running at him with a gun yourself.

It generally just escalates the situation to a level it doesn't have to be.

That is actually one of the biggest arguments against gun ownership imo. It usually does not improve an already difficult situation with everyone involved being on edge. The only scenario when it does is if someone is really going to shoot you and you shoot him first.

 

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[Ocelot]

I think we can agree that it depends on the situation and how desensitised you are to this kind of violence.

And your general personality and a load of other stuff.

But imo only very few people can come out of such a situation completely unchanged, with those few basically being psychopaths, or people who've already killed more than a few times in the past.

And in that case only because they've already been changed by the first time they killed.

 

[Seven]

And your general personality and a load of other stuff.

But imo only very few people can come out of such a situation completely unchanged, with those few basically being psychopaths, or people who've already killed more than a few times in the past.

And in that case only because they've already been changed by the first time they killed.

True.

But if it's truly a him or me situation, I'd rather kill him and have ptsd than die.

 

[Ocelot]

It is scary. Before I went on to study law, I studied history at university. One of the things we studied was the level of violence in society. You see that, even though we might think it's the opposite, it's been a pretty linear decline throughout the last few centuries. I can't help but think that's part of why shellshock was suddeny a thing during WWI. Maybe people were just used to huge amounts of violence in earlier times.

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That is actually one of the biggest arguments against gun ownership imo. It usually does not improve an already difficult situation with everyone involved being on edge. The only scenario when it does is if someone is really going to shoot you and you shoot him first.

I would argue that the conditions experienced by soldiers in WWI was pretty much unprecedented though. Not in terms of pure violence (difficult to measure), but because of living in constant fear of death for weeks on end, literally in the dirt and with explosions & diseases all around you. Psychologically speaking probably much more taxing than medievial warfare.

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True.

But if it's truly a him or me situation, I'd rather kill him and have ptsd than die.

No arguments here.

But there are very few situations where those two are the only possible outcomes - at least for the vast majority of people.

 

[Seven]

I would argue that the conditions experienced by soldiers in WWI was pretty much unprecedented though. Not in terms of pure violence (difficult to measure), but because of living in constant fear of death for weeks on end, literally in the dirt and with explosions & diseases all around you. Psychologically speaking probably much more taxing than medievial warfare.

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No arguments here.

But there are very few situations where those two are the only possible outcomes - at least for the vast majority of people.

Maybe. But then there's America's Civil War, which at times had similar conditions.

 

[IliveForJuve]

The part of Mexico where I live isn't any more dangerous than Oakland. I apparently live in the barrio and it took 3 years to have an incident.

Lol. A lot of Americans and Europeans think Bolivia, Colombia, Mexico, etc. are hella dangerous everywhere, like a big ass ghetto where everyone is trying to mug/kill you.

There are actually really good areas where violent crimes never happen.

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Also, you don't want all the legal problems that come with killing a man, even in self-defense.

You can't even surprise the guy and shoot him from behind. In most jurisdictions that would most likely put you in prison.

 

[Ocelot]

Yeah true, WWI certainly didn't come out of nowhere. It's still on a bigger scale and conditions were arguably a bit worse, and lastig longer due to the stalemate.

Plus psychology was taken seriously as a science for the first time right about then as well

Never wanted to say different ambient levels of violence weren't a factor btw

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Lol. A lot of Americans and Europeans think Bolivia, Colombia, Mexico, etc. are hella dangerous everywhere, like a big ass ghetto where everyone is trying to mug/kill you.

There are actually really good areas where violent crimes never happen.

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Also, you don't want all the legal problems that come with killing a man, even in self-defense.

You can't even surprise the guy and shoot him from behind. In most jurisdictions that would most likely put you in prison.

Yeah, US self defence laws are the exception around the world, and even there it's only Hollywood-style lenient in a few states.

 

[Enron]

But soldiers are trained. And they still suffer from it.

That was my point.

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But anyway. I didn't have a gun, everything turned out ok. Some of my neighbors said they'll walk by my house a couple times a night as we used to have a neighborhood watch and it looks like this is an excuse to start it back up.

 

[X Æ A-12]

He means load it.

I figured but if youre using it for home defense you would have an already loaded mag sitting next to the gun

 

[spurdo]

Gonna (by the looks of it) have an exchange year in Italy coming up in Venice next autumn, but prior to that I'd like to take around a week and visit some places in Italy I haven't been before. I have visited Roma and the cities/towns around Lake Garda before.

I am torn between either visiting the Bay of Naples (Napoli, Vesuvio, Capri, Positano, Pompeii etc.) or going more cultural with Tuscany (Firenze, Siena etc). What do you guys suggest, considering you most likely have more experience of Italy than me lol. I'd be going in just before October, so tourist season should be over.

 

[Seven]

Gonna (by the looks of it) have an exchange year in Italy coming up in Venice next autumn, but prior to that I'd like to take around a week and visit some places in Italy I haven't been before. I have visited Roma and the cities/towns around Lake Garda before.

I am torn between either visiting the Bay of Naples (Napoli, Vesuvio, Capri, Positano, Pompeii etc.) or going more cultural with Tuscany (Firenze, Siena etc). What do you guys suggest, considering you most likely have more experience of Italy than me lol. I'd be going in just before October, so tourist season should be over.

Do Naples. Visit Tuscany when you have your year in Venice. Both regions have hostels and somewhat decent public transport. Train system in Italy is great imo (if a little expensive at times) so going from Venice to everywhere else is not a problem.

If you plan on driving, know that traffic is ... 'less predictable' south of Rome. North of Rome it's pretty much like it is everywhere else in western Europe.

 

[Seven]

Plus psychology was taken seriously as a science for the first time right about then as well

While I would agree with that statement, I don't think it's because psychology was gaining ground that more cases were diagnosed.

The initial response (shaming, disapproval, talk of cowardice) also points to people being confronted with shellshock for the first time.

19th and early 20th century has always fascinated me tbh. I'm very happy being a lawyer, but I wouldn't mind studying that period of time a bit more in depth.

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[ZoSo]

Gonna (by the looks of it) have an exchange year in Italy coming up in Venice next autumn, but prior to that I'd like to take around a week and visit some places in Italy I haven't been before. I have visited Roma and the cities/towns around Lake Garda before.

I am torn between either visiting the Bay of Naples (Napoli, Vesuvio, Capri, Positano, Pompeii etc.) or going more cultural with Tuscany (Firenze, Siena etc). What do you guys suggest, considering you most likely have more experience of Italy than me lol. I'd be going in just before October, so tourist season should be over.

Tuscany is nicer imo

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Especially because you could have misread the situation. Maybe the home invader didn't have a gun. Maybe it was some 16 year old thug trying to act tough. And you usually only have seconds to assess the situation, but years to think about it afterwards.

I think is something to really fear though. These are the kind of kids that'll do anything, because THEY'RE not thinking.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Also, there's a huge difference, at least for me, between someone coming to rob and someone coming to kill me.

Definitely, but you don't know the intentions of a person in your house or, even besides their initial intentions, what they might do in a stressful situation if they come upon you not expecting it and react without thinking. I would pick my own judgement over being at the mercy of that person in any such situation.

I'm sure most home invasions which end in death or serious injury to the homeowners weren't planned that way.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Gated communities are da best.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Fuck that I rather fight for my life with an intruder than be told off by some suburban schmuck how often my grass needs cutting, talk about needing guns

 

[X Æ A-12]

Not all of us can crush a mere mortal with our left hand though

 

[IliveForJuve]

Fuck that I rather fight for my life with an intruder than be told off by some suburban schmuck how often my grass needs cutting, talk about needing guns

You know what's the beauty of gated communities in South America? They're not necessarily in the suburbs.

But I do get your point though.

I love how some people complain about gated community where I live, saying they cause social segregation. Fuck em.

 

[General]

Gonna (by the looks of it) have an exchange year in Italy coming up in Venice next autumn, but prior to that I'd like to take around a week and visit some places in Italy I haven't been before. I have visited Roma and the cities/towns around Lake Garda before.

I am torn between either visiting the Bay of Naples (Napoli, Vesuvio, Capri, Positano, Pompeii etc.) or going more cultural with Tuscany (Firenze, Siena etc). What do you guys suggest, considering you most likely have more experience of Italy than me lol. I'd be going in just before October, so tourist season should be over.

Venice or Lombardy (untill the mountains)