.zero

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Damn, good move tho. I only see LinkedIn getting bigger
Another dumb piece of business by MS. Overpaying for a company that has no value proposition.

Facebook and Google could both do what LinkedIn does easily but opt not to because there is no monetization aspect of what LinkedIn actually does.


Both FB and Google individually have more customer data than LinkedIn ever did or would.

I encourage MS to continue making stupid business decisions like making products like phones, tabs and zunes. And now trying to play with the big boys in big data.

If MS were smart they would stick to what their good at which is enterprise services and software which also are being taken over by the likes of Google and Amazon (AWS).

Keep doing what you're doing MS :lol:
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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Another dumb piece of business by MS. Overpaying for a company that has no value proposition.

Facebook and Google could both do what LinkedIn does easily but opt not to because there is no monetization aspect of what LinkedIn actually does.


Both FB and Google individually have more customer data than LinkedIn ever did or would.

I encourage MS to continue making stupid business decisions like making products like phones, tabs and zunes. And now trying to play with the big boys in big data.

If MS were smart they would stick to what their good at which is enterprise services and software which also are being taken over by the likes of Google and Amazon (AWS).

Keep doing what you're doing MS :lol:
I don't even know what they need the data for. Sure, personal info but meh it's insane to pay so much for it. Then on the other hand it was also silly to see FB buy whatsup for 15 billion dollars and it makes zero profit and makes even less sense.

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And I think it's a good idea they make phones since it can synchronize with a pc.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Another dumb piece of business by MS. Overpaying for a company that has no value proposition.

Facebook and Google could both do what LinkedIn does easily but opt not to because there is no monetization aspect of what LinkedIn actually does.


Both FB and Google individually have more customer data than LinkedIn ever did or would.

I encourage MS to continue making stupid business decisions like making products like phones, tabs and zunes. And now trying to play with the big boys in big data.

If MS were smart they would stick to what their good at which is enterprise services and software which also are being taken over by the likes of Google and Amazon (AWS).

Keep doing what you're doing MS :lol:
There's LinkedIn Premium where you have to pay. Plus it's like saying Facebook has no monetization value. It's a social network that more and more people and companies are starting to use. They will get the customer data, maybe not to what FB has but they'll get enough.

And like Dule said, their phones were a good move. Their tablets are up there with the big boys too now.
 

.zero

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There's LinkedIn Premium where you have to pay. Plus it's like saying Facebook has no monetization value. It's a social network that more and more people and companies are starting to use. They will get the customer data, maybe not to what FB has but they'll get enough.

And like Dule said, their phones were a good move. Their tablets are up there with the big boys too now.
Sorry man but wrong on all points.

Linkedin premium isn't what I meant when I asked what their value proposition or monetization plan was. Facebook/Google are data companies. Companies advertise through FB and Google because it reaches their target audiences. LinkedIn tried to gather peoples data but they are nothing compared to the big boys. MS once again tries to jump in a game that they have no chance to succeed in. Which is fine by me because this will not end well for them.

And again back to the hardware topic, if you look at the usage/sales of their tabs, phones, etc.. they are as pathetic as RIM or Nokia.

All in all MS already is on it's way down and will be a weak company with much weaker shares by the end of this decade.

Their entire business model is outdated and while they try to compete by diving into what the current market demand is, they are not built to operate in the modern tech world.

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I don't even know what they need the data for. Sure, personal info but meh it's insane to pay so much for it. Then on the other hand it was also silly to see FB buy whatsup for 15 billion dollars and it makes zero profit and makes even less sense.

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And I think it's a good idea they make phones since it can synchronize with a pc.
FB, Google buy out these smaller apps/companies for their user base (data) along with their tech. FB bought out Instagram and Whatsapp because both have a rich set of user data. That's what the game is these days. Get data, attract business who want to advertise to those people who use your apps/products, etc..

Did MS overpay for Linkedin? - simply yes. They are trying to enter another marketplace they have no business trying to compete in.
 

swag

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Another dumb piece of business by MS. Overpaying for a company that has no value proposition.

Facebook and Google could both do what LinkedIn does easily but opt not to because there is no monetization aspect of what LinkedIn actually does.


Both FB and Google individually have more customer data than LinkedIn ever did or would.
I think that's the wrong way to look at it. People fawn all over themselves for the consumer market, but in consumer markets the consumers are the product. Great, you know tons of information about 47-year-old Lucy's doily collection and her various likes and dislikes, but how much is that really worth?

In virtually all product markets, its the business sector is where it's at. An influencer who can help make a decision to close a sale on a $100k Salesforce.com package is worth tons more than the razor-thin margins of barfing up auto-play ads for Uncharted 4 to a bunch of drooling consumers who freak out over expenses when their Chick-fil-A sandwich rises by 20 cents.

Consumer sales get all the sexy glory and attention. But it's enterprise and B2B sales that make the world go around.

LinkedIn hasn't fully monetized it yet. But regardless of who is doing them and where they are, I would take an enterprise play over a gross consumer play in a space every time. In a nation where corporations are considered persons, I would easily cater to a corporation's pockets over those of some sad sack consumer. Even a thousand sad sack consumers.
 

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I think that's the wrong way to look at it. People fawn all over themselves for the consumer market, but in consumer markets the consumers are the product. Great, you know tons of information about 47-year-old Lucy's doily collection and her various likes and dislikes, but how much is that really worth?

In virtually all product markets, its the business sector is where it's at. An influencer who can help make a decision to close a sale on a $100k Salesforce.com package is worth tons more than the razor-thin margins of barfing up auto-play ads for Uncharted 4 to a bunch of drooling consumers who freak out over expenses when their Chick-fil-A sandwich rises by 20 cents.

Consumer sales get all the sexy glory and attention. But it's enterprise and B2B sales that make the world go around.

LinkedIn hasn't fully monetized it yet. But regardless of who is doing them and where they are, I would take an enterprise play over a gross consumer play in a space every time. In a nation where corporations are considered persons, I would easily cater to a corporation's pockets over those of some sad sack consumer. Even a thousand sad sack consumers.
LinkedIn has no value prop nor can anyone name a viable core competency. If FB wanted, they could build or acquire a job search that links its existing user base but provides a separation of church and state since most folks (smart ones) don't like mixing their personal social media w/ professional. That would be their biggest obstacle which is not that much of a challenge to once again shape and mold a marketplace/service.
 

.zero

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A so-so night

Incredible Thrones ep but the fact that GS lost the rigged finals leaves a bit of sorrow in my heart

Tomorrow morning when people wake up in Cleveland they will still be in Cleveland
 

swag

L'autista
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LinkedIn has no value prop nor can anyone name a viable core competency. If FB wanted, they could build or acquire a job search that links its existing user base but provides a separation of church and state since most folks (smart ones) don't like mixing their personal social media w/ professional. That would be their biggest obstacle which is not that much of a challenge to once again shape and mold a marketplace/service.
Saying it has no value prop would mean it would have no use to me. I use it all the time.

That said, I know people in their 20s think it's a joke in general. But then so is Snapchat to me for that matter, so fair point.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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Saying it has no value prop would mean it would have no use to me. I use it all the time.

That said, I know people in their 20s think it's a joke in general. But then so is Snapchat to me for that matter, so fair point.
Companies in general are definitely starting to go heavy on LinkedIn

And yeah, snapchat is the shit
 

.zero

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Saying it has no value prop would mean it would have no use to me. I use it all the time.

That said, I know people in their 20s think it's a joke in general. But then so is Snapchat to me for that matter, so fair point.
Greggo, you know what perspective I'm coming from. User base != $$$

There is nothing they offer that the other companies I have been mentioning cannot easily replicate and thrive in with their vastly greater data sets
 

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Linkedin has the market share, Google already learned its lesson with google plus and Facebook is sticking to the social network game, Microsoft has no choice but to bank on the data game that is the future. But Microsoft is now a dinosaur regardless of how hard they try to change that.
 

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