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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Siena is not good for fat people, just going through the city is uphill battle lol.
That's brilliant. Hill towns to avoid a siege by fat American tourists.

Yeah, I get what you mean :D. It's why I've never liked Firenze. The only fun memory I have from that city is watching the 2006 World Cup final on a big screen on piazzale Michelangelo.

I also think that most people who travel to Tuscany on a regular basis prefer Siena and South Tuscany in general. You ever been to Lucca (which is not in the South of Tuscany by the way :D)?
I've been to Lucca. Good food. Wacky canal system. Great remnants of the city walls.

I get what you mean about southern Tuscany. Montalcino and Montepulciano were nice. But on my list now is Orvieto, where a friend is from. Technically it's Umbria but...
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I get what you mean about southern Tuscany. Montalcino and Montepulciano were nice. But on my list now is Orvieto, where a friend is from. Technically it's Umbria but...
I've been to Orvieto, but only very briefly so don't know much about it. What I love about Montalcino is that in the middle of the town, on the central square, there is a bar where you can drink their world renowned Brunello for only a fraction more of what it would cost to buy it in the store.
 

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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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They seem to have a weak generation of turkish players plus have had this schizo rule of amount of foreigners they allow to be starting at same time that kind of seemed to hamstrung them a little. Plus the obvious lack of real quality they can attract from overseas. Yeah kind of made it more of a retirement place more and more. But still would play there for the football more then US, even if the US is defenitely more interesting place to live if the choice was based on that. But as said, you are pretty much forgotten/become irrelevant if you play in MLS at a competetive period of your career. Like, I like him alot, but who is Giovinco in the football world right now? Nobody. While Turkey based players get to face the best in CL, and even kick out a big team or two, as fucking Sneijder did to us.
Who was Giovinco ever in world football? Horrible example dude.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Who was Giovinco ever in world football? Horrible example dude.
Thats that the point, I dont mean a great player or such, but being part of a big team in a big league in CL too and kinda relevant in footballing world just for being in that context alone. Going MLS and playing but not being watched by the world is kind of big difference visibility wise. No one really notices you.
 

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I've been to Orvieto, but only very briefly so don't know much about it. What I love about Montalcino is that in the middle of the town, on the central square, there is a bar where you can drink their world renowned Brunello for only a fraction more of what it would cost to buy it in the store.
I've had the Brunello there. The coffee is pretty good too. ;)
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Thats that the point, I dont mean a great player or such, but being part of a big team in a big league in CL too and kinda relevant in footballing world just for being in that context alone. Going MLS and playing but not being watched by the world is kind of big difference visibility wise. No one really notices you.
I know people hate Giovinco around here, but he was a Juventus and Italian NT player. That's not too shabby.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,540
Thats that the point, I dont mean a great player or such, but being part of a big team in a big league in CL too and kinda relevant in footballing world just for being in that context alone. Going MLS and playing but not being watched by the world is kind of big difference visibility wise. No one really notices you.
Fair enough, he played for a big team but he was only a sub.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,503
I know people hate Giovinco around here, but he was a Juventus and Italian NT player. That's not too shabby.
I dont, he is still one of my favourite players, and I so wish he comes back to Europe so I can see him regurarly again.


He would have done fine upper mid table level, would been a marquee player, and still in the NT, but get why he wants to take the optimal financial gain out of his career.
 

Collaguazo

Pezuña Brava
Mar 4, 2012
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Milano is ridiculous. Disgusting city, disgusting people. It's considered Italy's economic heart though. People go there to work.
I have a funny story when I was in Milan. I was backpacking around Europe and went to Italy to visit a friend. We were in Milan and he took me to buy some shoes. He knew this crazy italian that owned the shop and he was extremely friendly and enthusiastic. He even set me up on date with his daughter that evening :lol:

I also went to Turin to watch Juve-Parma (goals from del piero and Nedved) and on my way there I got lost. I ended up on the wrong train with the wrong ticket, while two policemen were talking to me in italian about not being able to be on that train. Luckly an italian girl, that also spoke spanish, sitting next to me, understood the situation and explained it to the police. She gave me directions and even stayed with me to make sure I took the right train.

In Rome, was different story though. First, I almost got hit by a group of spanish speaking gay men. One guy was standing next to me trying to buy a train ticket but the machine was not working. He got so upset, hitting the machine and screaming things, in very gayly manner that I couldnt help laughing. He went running to his boyfriend complaining that I was laughing at him. Suddenly I was surrounded by a group of 6 very upset and very gay guys. I didnt get my ass kicked because a group of policemen appeared nearby and the guys left when they saw them.

Then one night I was walking back to the hostel and I noticed that an old man was following me. I went inside a pizza place to see if would go away but he also went inside and started flirting with me offering to buy me so pizza. :lol:. I remember that I was just running like hell back to the hostel.

So all in all, I have fond memories of my time in Italy. :p
 

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I have a funny story when I was in Milan. I was backpacking around Europe and went to Italy to visit a friend. We were in Milan and he took me to buy some shoes. He knew this crazy italian that owned the shop and he was extremely friendly and enthusiastic. He even set me up on date with his daughter that evening :lol:

I also went to Turin to watch Juve-Parma (goals from del piero and Nedved) and on my way there I got lost. I ended up on the wrong train with the wrong ticket, while two policemen were talking to me in italian about not being able to be on that train. Luckly an italian girl, that also spoke spanish, sitting next to me, understood the situation and explained it to the police. She gave me directions and even stayed with me to make sure I took the right train.

In Rome, was different story though. First, I almost got hit by a group of spanish speaking gay men. One guy was standing next to me trying to buy a train ticket but the machine was not working. He got so upset, hitting the machine and screaming things, in very gayly manner that I couldnt help laughing. He went running to his boyfriend complaining that I was laughing at him. Suddenly I was surrounded by a group of 6 very upset and very gay guys. I didnt get my ass kicked because a group of policemen appeared nearby and the guys left when they saw them.

Then one night I was walking back to the hostel and I noticed that an old man was following me. I went inside a pizza place to see if would go away but he also went inside and started flirting with me offering to buy me so pizza. :lol:. I remember that I was just running like hell back to the hostel.

So all in all, I have fond memories of my time in Italy. :p
I once accidentally got on an express train to Torino from La Spezia when I was just trying to go to the Cinque Terre. The cops were cool about it though and helped me back.

But Rome? I still can't forget all the tranny hookers near the Piazza della Repubblica where I was staying. Good 'hood for the daytime, but even a bit much for this San Francisco boy at night.
 

lgorTudor

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I once accidentally got on an express train to Torino from La Spezia when I was just trying to go to the Cinque Terre. The cops were cool about it though and helped me back.

But Rome? I still can't forget all the tranny hookers near the Piazza della Repubblica where I was staying. Good 'hood for the daytime, but even a bit much for this San Francisco boy at night.
but you love trannies
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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This is by far your best post in a long long time.



That is if you were only sarcastic, would been utterly brilliant burn on Manchester :D
True :D

If I was loaded I wouldnt live in the UK, I'd hate the weather :p If I was loaded I would probably live in Italy, maybe Rome. Of course Aus is great as well but if we are talking about Europe.
Rome is perhaps the most "interesting" city I've ever been too. Talking about the entire human history it has probably been the most "important" city in the whole world, or at least Europe. The place has been very significant ever since the ancient times, and you got monuments and sights from every period en masse. It's so incredibly rich in interesting places it's ridiculous.

And fully agreed here :D

Also, I'd much rather live anywhere in Scandinavia than the UK, assuming I can choose freely.

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I wasnt a big fan of Milano, havent been to Turin yet sadly. Was only in Milan for a day but I didnt like the vibe. Roma was much better, at least for me. The south is where its at.

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Yeah and a part of me prefers that Mediterranean life. South of Italy. Roma is a nice mix I think.
Milan is a very modern, industrial city as far as Italy goes. Turin is a bit similar tbh, just a bit more relaxed overall, at least that's how I felt.

But the real gems are smaller cities like Verona, Udinese, Siena, San Gimignano, Fererra,....

Venice is of course extremely beautiful as well, but completely crowded with tourists.

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Funnily enough (considering our argument earlier today), one of the reasons I might not want to live in Italy is their racism and xenophobia. The way they treat foreigners is riduclous. If you don't speak Italian, you're considered less than human.
I mean their attitudes concerning non-Europeans, especially in the north is despicable, but I've never ecountered any hostility from Italians. On the contrary, they were extremely nice and welcoming, especially if try to somehow address them in Italian, as broken as it might be.

Not saying that it's okay in any way, but from my experience the way foreigners are treated very much depends on where exactly you're from.
 

Collaguazo

Pezuña Brava
Mar 4, 2012
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Bar the main road going from Rialto to San Marco and those two places themselves it's still very tolerable imo. Some little alleyways are completely empty very often as well.
Yes but my impression is that the italian essence is gone. For example, one of the reasons why I like amsterdam so much is that, altough is a very turistic city, you can still feel and see the dutch culture.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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Yes but my impression is that the italian essence is gone. For example, one of the reasons why I like amsterdam so much is that, altough is a very turistic city, you can still feel and see the dutch culture.
True, and wouldn't want to live there tbh, but to visit for a few days is still amazing.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Bar the main road going from Rialto to San Marco and those two places themselves it's still very tolerable imo. Some little alleyways are completely empty very often as well.
Yep. You have to go in towards the small canaletti and odd walks to get there, but these refuges are everywhere in Venezia.

Yes but my impression is that the italian essence is gone. For example, one of the reasons why I like amsterdam so much is that, altough is a very turistic city, you can still feel and see the dutch culture.
But you're right in that very few Italians still live in the dying town. The tourists make it worse, but worst of all are probably all the foreigners who bought up real estate and leave it vacant most of the year to create a cultural ghost town.

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