What Are You Doing Right Now? (332 Viewers)

[Fred]

I'm with Aaron on this one.

Andy, I love my country to bits, but i wouldn't move there anytime soon. Loving my country does not mean i love the current regime thats ruling it, and consequently the low standard of living in my country because of that said regime.

If i were to be guaranteed that me and my family would live well, and that education, health care and other important factors improve drastically in my country, i'd be first in line to go back. I'm sure that Mexican feels the same way, and would love the chance to go back to his original country.

Though I do understand your frustration at someone being in your country and waiving another country's flag. Its why i won't give citizenship as easily as the US does. It results in your country having several of these people. I personally know a lot of people who have American citizenship, that do not care one bit for the US but would like to benefit from having an American passport.

 

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[Enron]

Yea totally

It's pretty much an argument about what defines "real" Americans.

My position is that if the guy in the picture is a legal citizen, then he can oppose the Arizona laws all he wants.

I also made the point that him going back to Mexico as a protest of the Arizona law is stupid because it defeats his entire purpose for coming the US. (which I would assume is to better himself or his family in whatever way)

 

[Bjerknes]

You can't understand having to leave your nation of origin to seek a better life only to be constantly treated like a second class citizen?

It's not difficult to understand.

Nothing wrong with coming here legally.

Waiving a flag that represents your family's emigration is very nonsensical.

There are very good Mexican Americans who hate Mexico and what it stands for, and would never waive that flag because they understand their situation.

 

[Red]

I'm pretty much with Andy on this.

There are few people I dislike more than folk who leave Scotland for a job or as a tax exile only to bang on about how much they love the Scotland all the time.

They are generally ultra-patriotic and complete wankers.

 

[X Æ A-12]

A woman on Maury just claimed that she can't have a black baby because she is "Iraqian"?

 

[Fred]

I'm pretty much with Andy on this.

There are few people I dislike more than folk who leave Scotland for a job or as a tax exile only to bang on about how much they love the Scotland all the time.

They are generally ultra-patriotic and complete wankers.

Thats nonsense, like i said, i love my country, but its almost impossible for me to go and live there. Does that make my love for my country doubtful, because i should just live there no matter what the circumstances are?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Thats nonsense, like i said, i love my country, but its almost impossible for me to go and live there. Does that make my love for my country doubtful, because i should just live there no matter what the circumstances are?

What do you love about it? If the government sucks and you would rather live somewhere else than why do you love it?

I'm not questioning your opinion just curios.

 

[Enron]

So why waive a Mexican flag then? What's the point of that? That's not really a protest at all, but rather a sign of pride for Mexico.

The most efficient protests are the ones that hurt people financially. His family leaving the area would do exactly that, especially if they are legal and pay taxes to the state.

Weak? Ehh, whatever. You and your open border Democrat buddies love weakness.

For future reference to the forum. This is what happens when he's been bested. He lumps you in with a group of people as an attempt to blow off your argument or insult you. (I'm neither a democrat nor am I for an open border)

Now for my rebuttle:

What does going back to Mexico do for him? Nothing. It takes him back to square one. That totally defeats the purpose of him coming to the United States and gaining citizenship.

One Mexican-American family leaving the state doesn't mean much to the Arizona economy. If all the Mexican-Americans in Arizona or the Southwest United States were to leave, that would have an impact. But once again, why would they do that at all?

And what if he is proud to be a Mexican-American? It isn't hard to see why that's possible. Walk into an Italian neighborhood in NYC or a Polish neighborhood in Chicago. You won't see many American flags.

 

[Fred]

What do you love about it? If the government sucks and you would rather live somewhere else than why do you love it?

I'm not questioning your opinion just curios.

I love the people, i love the place, i love the food, i love our customs and traditions no matter how backward they'd be, i love everything about my country, except our corrupt government.

 

[Enron]

What do you love about it? If the government sucks and you would rather live somewhere else than why do you love it?

I'm not questioning your opinion just curios.

Many people have love for where they were born or brought up, even if it was in a poorer setting than they currently hold.

 

[Fred]

I wasn't brought up in Libya Aaron, i was brought up in Scotland, hence why Burke tells me I'm Scottish

On that note: If i got a Scottish passport and called myself Scottish, what would you think of me Red?

 

[Red]

Thats nonsense, like i said, i love my country, but its almost impossible for me to go and live there. Does that make my love for my country doubtful, because i should just live there no matter what the circumstances are?

Do you spend heaps of time telling people around you how great a place Libya is, with the constant underlying suggestion you would rather be living there?

Because that is what pisses me off.

 

[Enron]

I'm pretty much with Andy on this.

There are few people I dislike more than folk who leave Scotland for a job or as a tax exile only to bang on about how much they love the Scotland all the time.

They are generally ultra-patriotic and complete wankers.

I think there's a huge difference between Scotland and Mexico.

That said, outwardly ultra-patriotic people annoy me as well. From any nation.

 

[Fred]

Do you spend heaps of time telling people around you how great a place Libya is, with the constant underlying suggestion you would rather be living there?

Because that is what pisses me off.

No I don't do that. But i can assure you that thats what all Libyans living abroad do

We Libyans in general, love our country despite living abroad. I am sure that at the very least 95% of the Libyans who live abroad would come back to Libya if the situation were to improve. Unlike our Tunisian, Algerian and Moroccan counterparts, we in general are not fond of permanent immigration.

 

[Bjerknes]

For future reference to the forum. This is what happens when he's been bested. He lumps you in with a group of people as an attempt to blow off your argument or insult you. (I'm neither a democrat nor am I for an open border)

Now for my rebuttle:

What does going back to Mexico do for him? Nothing. It takes him back to square one. That totally defeats the purpose of him coming to the United States and gaining citizenship.

One Mexican-American family leaving the state doesn't mean much to the Arizona economy. If all the Mexican-Americans in Arizona or the Southwest United States were to leave, that would have an impact. But once again, why would they do that at all?

And what if he is proud to be a Mexican-American? It isn't hard to see why that's possible. Walk into an Italian neighborhood in NYC or a Polish neighborhood in Chicago. You won't see many American flags.

Right, and they aren't too bright either.

You didn't answer the question. What purpose does waiving a Mexican flag serve? Does it make sense to waive the flag when it represents the reason why they left the country?

Every cent counts, especially nowadays. Leaving would be a far greater protest than waiving a flag. They could always come back if they deem the state to be more accommodating in the future.

 

[Gabriel]

Nothing wrong with coming here legally.

Waiving a flag that represents your family's emigration is very nonsensical.

There are very good Mexican Americans who hate Mexico and what it stands for, and would never waive that flag because they understand their situation.

That's partly true.

There's no need for them to hate Mexico to be good Mexican Americans. However, i agree that waving a Mexican flag in american soil as a "protest" is at the very least disrespectful. You can love your country but there's no need to make it public whatsoever.


Personally, i couldn't care less about the country where i was brought up.

 

[Enron]

I wasn't brought up in Libya Aaron, i was brought up in Scotland, hence why Burke tells me I'm Scottish

Fixed.

 

[Fred]

Fixed.

What did you fix in it? :confused2:

 

[Enron]

Right, and they aren't too bright either.

You didn't answer the question. What purpose does waiving a Mexican flag serve? Does it make sense to waive the flag when it represents the reason why they left the country?

Every cent counts, especially nowadays. Leaving would be a far greater protest than waiving a flag. They could always come back if they deem the state to be more accommodating in the future.

I would guess it would be in support of Mexican-Americans or in protest of the immigration laws (yes flags are a form of protest as well as pride). It could be a shout out to his boy Jorge still stuck in Juarez.

I think the bigger question is what does a flag represent? It's a pretty obvious answer and if you think about it you probably answer your own question.

Do the people in the Polish and Italian neighborhoods hate the United States? No. But their is a reason they fly their flags.

 

[Enron]

What did you fix in it? :confused2:

Added the word "born".