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If my local community killed my father and drove me to leave the area, and after I left I waived the local municipality flag to represent I'm from the corrupt county of Adams in Southern Pennsylvania, people would call me a retard.

But if a Mexican waives a Mexican flag in Arizona, he's praised. And it's all because of the color of his skin.
Is that what your mad about?
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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I would guess it would be in support of Mexican-Americans or in protest of the immigration laws (yes flags are a form of protest as well as pride). It could be a shout out to his boy Jorge still stuck in Juarez.

I think the bigger question is what does a flag represent? It's a pretty obvious answer and if you think about it you probably answer your own question.

Do the people in the Polish and Italian neighborhoods hate the United States? No. But their is a reason they fly their flags.
A flag represents the nation. What you're thinking about is similar to me waiving the American flag while I celebrate being white.

I don't hate the US, I hate the people in charge who do not have the best interests of the people in mind. And I think it's pretty obvious the government's owners want illegal immigration as well.
 

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A flag represents the nation. What you're thinking about is similar to me waiving the American flag while I celebrate being white.

I don't hate the US, I hate the people in charge who do not have the best interests of the people in mind. And I think it's pretty obvious the government's owners want illegal immigration as well.
A flag represents a people. Like Fred said, he loves Lybia and would go back if it didn't suck there.

A Mexican-American may love Mexico or feel a bond to it or to the people and hate the government. Don't just assume because he's waiving a flag he hates America. He might and he might not.
 

Zé Tahir

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Dec 10, 2004
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If my local community killed my father and drove me to leave the area, and after I left I waived the local municipality flag to represent I'm from the corrupt county of Adams in Southern Pennsylvania, people would call me a retard.

But if a Mexican waives a Mexican flag in Arizona, he's praised. And it's all because of the color of his skin.
It's not that simple man. Say you grew up in Adams; you went to kindergarten in Adams, you learned how to ride a bike in Adams, your first kiss was in Adams, you played football in Adams, you loved corner bakery in Adams, etc. Then one these thugs go and kill your dad and you're forced to flee to a different place. You appreciate the fact that you received haven in this new place; place to live, to work, opportunity, etc. but that doesn't take away from the fact that your heart lies in Adams where you grew up and where everything was familiar and made sense to you (your world i.e.). You have every right to feel pride of that even if Adams was a shithole.

ps: I'm not talking about any flag waving in protest of something.
 

Gabriel

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May 23, 2010
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If my local community killed my father and drove me to leave the area, and after I left I waived the local municipality flag to represent I'm from the corrupt county of Adams in Southern Pennsylvania, people would call me a retard.

But if a Mexican waives a Mexican flag in Arizona, he's praised. And it's all because of the color of his skin.

It depends on the conditions in which that singular mexican made it to the states.

If he's illegal then yes, he's a retard. Most illegal inmigrants go to the states in order to escape of danger/bad conditions/whatever, to wave a mexican flag would not only be disrespectful but just plain stupid.

Inmigrants that make it legally tend to be in a better situation economically, so they wouldn't struggle much in their original country, they most likely will feel attachment with their country. Yet as i said there's no need whatsoever for the kind of behaviour you talk about, specially in a foreign country.


I think that waving the flag itself it's not the problem but the circumstances of it. Like someone said, italians and polish wave their countries flags without problems, then again you don't see an italian entering the pitch on a stadium running and waving his flag.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Legally you would be.

In reality, you clearly aren't going to be as Scottish as someone from a Scottish family that has been here for generations, though.
I'm glad you said that.

I agree, and again it is why citizenship should not be handed out so easily. I could easily have got a Scottish passport, and got all the benefits you were entitled to as a Scottish citizen, but i would have felt nothing towards Scotland, and i might not even live there and consequently would only be having the passport for my personal benefit. While you, and your family have been there for generations, have stuck by your country in good and bad and probably love your country too. Is it fair, that me and you get equal benefits then?
 

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