What Are You Doing Right Now? (335 Viewers)

[Ford Prefect]

Undestandable Jasp, hope you enjoyed it


Now back on topic, There is no such thing as arabism nor africanism. The Arabian Union is only there to discuss political and economical problems the Arab countries suffer from and look out for a way to support those countries in the way all the arab countries agree on. While the African Union cares about other political issues that African countries suffer from and find a way to support them.

In other words, both the African and the Arabian union work for the sake of the Arabian African country and two hands are better than one for sure, so I can't see how they are both contradicting to you. And with so many countries being part of those two unions simultaneously they must have been benefiting from it else they won't still be there in both of them.

We are between a rock and a hard place on this debate, i cant see myself agreeing with you and i can't see you agreeing with me and i really want to play fm, so call it quits?

How do you define an Arab?

I didn't define arabs, i was basing that on the CIA world factbook.

This is probably the easiest definition -

An Arab (عربي, ʿarabi) is a person who identifies as such on linguistic or cultural grounds. The plural form, Arabs (العرب al-ʿarab), refers to the ethnocultural group at large.

If you were asking what i view as an arabic country then that is a different question. It is based on geographic lines, it is (from the course i am studying on middle east history) The arabic penisula going north to Istanbul/The Crimea, East to the Suez Canal (although usually including all of egypt) and east to Iran.

 

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[JBF]

Jasper, the Arab world you're talking about is the one King Hussein Bin Ali was asking to make a unified country and call the Arabian Kingdom but its far far away from the Arab world.

As for me quitting, never!

I honestly wanna know why do you think being part of those two before-mentioned unions.

 

[Fred]

You pop culture references always fly over my head. I bet they're funny though

Same here

Its up to you, i dont know what the debate was about. But i do know that Somalia isnt an arabic nation state. it isnt pact of the Arabic Peninsula or the Gulf and has no historic roots in arabic culture. Just because some arabs live there doesnt make it an arab country. Britain has more people of an arabic descent living in it and i dont imagine you would be claiming it. The arab world stops moving westward at the Suez Canal and at instanbul. And thats according to Samuel Huntingdon, Huw Williams, Dr Jamie Vaughn, Dr Gerrard Hughes.....i could list most poitical historians if you want.

What?

So Libyans, Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans aren't Arab?

Somalia is part of the Arabian peninsula, otherwise why would the country be part of the Arabian forum which is like the E.U but for the Arabs.(with many differences between the two obviously). And you're wrong, there's much history between Somalia and the rest of the Arab world add to that the same main relegion which is Islam and how influential that is for having similar culture.

As for your Britain example, Britain doesn't have Arabic as a second does it? Its not part of the Arab league now is it? It doesn't have Islam as a main relegion does it? It doesn't have borders with other Arab countries does it?


Oh right I forgot

There is a big distinction between religion and race/ethnicity JBF. There are a small percentage of Arabs living in Somalia, just like theres a percentage of Arabs living in Chad, does not make them an Arab country at all. Thats like saying Algeria is a Berber country.

 

[Fred]

Also there is no such thing as an ethnic group called Arabs, at least not anymore, so it has become really hard to define what an Arab really is.

 

[Christina]

Yes. But you didn't tell him NO.:frown:

Did you take a pic of the cake? It sounds delicious & who made it?

McDonalds breakfast is the only place open at 7am & i'm starving. Besides i haven't bought groceries in ages & the fridge is bare.



The ladies must be queing up for you to take them.



It's true. You have hot cousins & that's why you don't think their annoying.

It was from a restaurant, not the whole cake. I took a pic but it just looks like a regular chocolate cake.

 

[Byrone]

Yeah right, how pieces did you really have?

 

[JBF]

There is a big distinction between religion and race/ethnicity JBF. There are a small percentage of Arabs living in Somalia, just like theres a percentage of Arabs living in Chad, does not make them an Arab country at all. Thats like saying Algeria is a Berber country.

Actually Morocco has more Mazareeg than Algeria

My point is that Somalia is in fact an Arab country that is being treated no different than any other Arab country in the Arabian Forum(I have no Idea what to call 2il jam3a 2il 3arabya ) thus it is in fact a Arab country as far as Im concerned but whether all its population are Arabs or not is a completely different issue.

Also there is no such thing as an ethnic group called Arabs, at least not anymore, so it has become really hard to define what an Arab really is.

True, Im taking the country's orgin to define a Arab, if he/she comes from an Arab country then as far as Im concerned they're Arab even if they can't speak a damn arabic word.

 

[Christina]

Yeah right, how pieces did you really have?

One thin slice of the nutella cake, and many slices of my buttercream cake.

 

[Byrone]

One thin slice of the nutella cake, and many slices of my buttercream cake.

Define thin.

I'm getting my food out of the oven, i'll be back & i'll post the pics.

 

[Fred]

Actually Morocco has more Mazareeg than Algeria

My point is that Somalia is in fact an Arab country that is being treated no different than any other Arab country in the Arabian Forum(I have no Idea what to call 2il jam3a 2il 3arabya ) thus it is in fact a Arab country as far as Im concerned but whether all its population are Arabs or not is a completely different issue.
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I know Morocco has more berbers, that is way beyond the point, Algeria was just an example, i could have even said Libya or Tunisia since they have a percentage of berbers in their population too.

Oh and they're called Amazeegh not Mazareeg btw.

As for the second paragraph, no Somalia is not an Arab country, they have their own language, there is such a thing as the Somali race too, the people there do not consider themselves Arab, i really do not understand how you consider them an Arab country.

True, Im taking the country's orgin to define a Arab, if he/she comes from an Arab country then as far as Im concerned they're Arab even if they can't speak a damn arabic word.

Ya exactly, i agree here. But Somalia is not an Arab country, just because they are a member of jame3at el dowal el 3arabeya does not make them Arab at all. Are you saying that if Russia were to become a member you would consider them an Arab country(hypothetically speaking)?

 

[IrishZebra]

Just back from the gym, fucking hell that trainer is a sadist! I get what the weights were for but the chains!?

 

[Byrone]

Gym instructor/dominatrix, sounds rather interesting.

 

[JBF]

I know Morocco has more berbers, that is way beyond the point, Algeria was just an example, i could have even said Libya or Tunisia since they have a percentage of berbers in their population too.

Oh and they're called Amazeegh not Mazareeg btw.

As for the second paragraph, no Somalia is not an Arab country, they have their own language, there is such a thing as the Somali race too, the people there do not consider themselves Arab, i really do not understand how you consider them an Arab country.




Ya exactly, i agree here. But Somalia is not an Arab country, just because they are a member of jame3at el dowal el 3arabeya does not make them Arab at all. Are you saying that if Russia were to become a member you would consider them an Arab country(hypothetically speaking)?

My bad.

Fred, As I've told Jasper before. Somalia is a Arab country not just due to the fact that its in the Arabian Union( if I can call it that) but also because of religion and History too. Did you know that in the past, Somalia, Oman and Yemen were so close to each other when talking about military and economical issues?

We do have a mutual history and that doesn't imply at Russia or any other country in the world that aint part of the current Arabian Union ATM.

 

[IrishZebra]

But Somali is a seperate ethnicity in it's entirety...

Unless you think that Kosovar Albainians are the same as Serbs, but then we're going down a whole other street.

 

[Fred]

My bad.

Fred, As I've told Jasper before. Somalia is a Arab country not just due to the fact that its in the Arabian Union( if I can call it that) but also because of religion and History too. Did you know that in the past, Somalia, Oman and Yemen were so close to each other when talking about military and economical issues?

We do have a mutual history and that doesn't imply at Russia or any other country in the world that aint part of the current Arabian Union ATM.

We don't have a mutual history man. Arabs and Somali's are two completely different people. Its well documented that there is actually a Somali race, i think Eritreans are of Somali ethnicity too, Osman can correct me if i'm wrong in that one.

The Omani empire a few centuries ago did reach part of the Eastern African border, but i don't think Somalia was ever part of that empire. I'm no expert in history but my understanding is that Zanzibar and part of Mozambique were part of the Omani empire but not Somalia.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Beats the RICO act...

I think that was Whoopi Goldberg's sequel to Sister Act II.

the extremities are a little too old for RICO

 

[Bjerknes]

This is going to be one long boring weekend.

Easter, when you wish it was you dying on the cross.

 

[JBF]

We don't have a mutual history man. Arabs and Somali's are two completely different people. Its well documented that there is actually a Somali race, i think Eritreans are of Somali ethnicity too, Osman can correct me if i'm wrong in that one.

The Omani empire a few centuries ago did reach part of the Eastern African border, but i don't think Somalia was ever part of that empire. I'm no expert in history but my understanding is that Zanzibar and part of Mozambique were part of the Omani empire but not Somalia.

I got that moh'd a long time ago, Somalyans have their own race , so what??? You can argue that Egyptions have their own race too and that goes for Christian arabs and Charkas ones (im sure you know who those are) and Armenians too. those can then claim they're not arabs too you know since they're not from the "Arab race" if you actually think there is such a race.

And I've never claimed that the Omani empire reached Somal, all I said that the Somali state at that time had very good relations ( even better than the relationship between the arabs themselves ATM) with the Yemen and Omani's and thus there are many descents from those two countries in Somal till this very day.

Race has nothing to do with Arab Identity IMO.

 

[IrishZebra]

Dude, you are losing this one fast.

 

[icemaη]

i'm in the coach to my hometown... going for my cousins wedding on sunday...