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[Ford Prefect]

He isn't a terrorist in my book.

Im fairly sure setting fire to farms counts as terrorism. As terrorism is using fear to gain political goals. The War of Independence is a farce. I say that as a student of history and not as a british citizens, i think you know how i feel about imperialism.

 

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[Enron]

Im fairly sure setting fire to farms counts as terrorism. As terrorism is using fear to gain political goals. The War of Independence is a farce. I say that as a student of history and not as a british citizens, i think you know how i feel about imperialism.

The British didn't employ similar tactics.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I heard recently that you guys had daniel hannan forced on you. Can i just say that he is an idiot that doesnt speak for the British public, he speaks for his ideals and he has lead an extremely ignorant life, his bad mouthing of the NHS is unfounded and im sure the MILLIONS that have had their lives saved by it would disagree with him.

 

[Enron]

I heard recently that you guys had daniel hannan forced on you. Can i just say that he is an idiot that doesnt speak for the British public, he speaks for his ideals and he has lead an extremely ignorant life, his bad mouthing of the NHS is unfounded and im sure the MILLIONS that have had their lives saved by it would disagree with him.

I hadn't heard anything about him until you just mentioned it.

 

[swag]

I'll lend credence to the argument that George Washington was a terrorist of his time.

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. This has been true for ages.

 

[Bjerknes]

I think people had really high expectations for him and weren't aware that it's hard to see real, good changes considering he's been in charge for less than a year

What changes? All I see is the expansion of wars, a bunch of rent seeking, and a glut of lies mixed in between.

Im fairly sure setting fire to farms counts as terrorism. As terrorism is using fear to gain political goals. The War of Independence is a farce. I say that as a student of history and not as a british citizens, i think you know how i feel about imperialism.

I couldn't possibly call old Georgie a terrorist when he helped establish this wonderful country over here. It's well known that even the Department of Homeland Security shows its agents videos about how the Founding Fathers were terrorists, even when the nation was built by them. It's more of a ploy to dismantle the Constitution than anythig else. Just like Hamas isn't a terrorist group as far as I'm concerned, neither are the likes of George Washington. There are actual freedom fighters in this world.

 

[Enron]

Though Washington made terrorism look cool in those Continental unies.

 

[Ford Prefect]

The British didn't employ similar tactics.

Why the British attack the farms of their citizens that were part of their economy? The War of Independence was a war of propaganda and attrition. England didnt commit that many troops to fight in the war because no one wanted to go to the US, they hired Hessian mercenaries (a negative term to use) instead who generally were nice to the US citizens but because they didnt speak English were great the US propaganda to portray them as rapists and villains. The British gov didnt really care about the US in comparison to India which earnt the Empire a fortune in taxation. Im going to be, but if anyone wants to debate this with me, im all ears. Im not anti american, im no pro british, i just evaluate historic 'fact'. I spoke to chick that studied us history in Strasbourg and at Aberystwyth and she said what she has been taught in Europe is completly different to what is taught in schools in America, food for thought.

 

[swag]

He just wasn't a chump enough to march forward and wait for a signal when they shot at the Brits. They shot at the Brits from behind trees and did crazy, uncivil things like that.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I hadn't heard anything about him until you just mentioned it.

He whored himself out to Fox in oct/nov iirc and made Britain look horrible, the mans a douche.


Freedom Fighters do not exist, it's a label that has been given to terrorists to justify themselves (ghandi prooved violence didnt have to be used). Terrorism is terrorism, end of. If you are using violence/fear to gain political aims then you are a terrorist. Mandella was a terrorist, Che was a terrorist, Washington was a terrorist, Bin Laden is a Terrorist. I might sympathise with Washington and Mandella, but they still used violence/fear and there were still terrorists because of that.

 

[Enron]

Why the British attack the farms of their citizens that were part of their economy? The War of Independence was a war of propaganda and attrition. England didnt commit that many troops to fight in the war because no one wanted to go to the US, they hired Hessian mercenaries (a negative term to use) instead who generally were nice to the US citizens but because they didnt speak English were great the US propaganda to portray them as rapists and villains. The British gov didnt really care about the US in comparison to India which earnt the Empire a fortune in taxation. Im going to be, but if anyone wants to debate this with me, im all ears. Im not anti american, im no pro british, i just evaluate historic 'fact'. I spoke to chick that studied us history in Strasbourg and at Aberystwyth and she said what she has been taught in Europe is completly different to what is taught in schools in America, food for thought.

We know most of that. The British gave us their B team and we barely beat it. If you want the American view of the way check out David McCullough's 1776.

The British have a completely different view of the Revolution than we do, which is not surprising considering the loss to the colonists should have been pretty embarrassing. Which explains why British historians say things like "we only gave so many English troops, we didn't really care, etc, etc". The truth of the matter is that the British cared enough to keep an occupation force in the colonies well before the war and they cared for it enough to fight for the colonies after the declaration. It isn't our fault if they didn't take the founding fathers serious enough to make a decent effort.

You'll have to pardon me, it's been about 8 years since I've discussed this.

 

[Bjerknes]

He whored himself out to Fox in oct/nov iirc and made Britain look horrible, the mans a douche.


Freedom Fighters do not exist, it's a label that has been given to terrorists to justify themselves (ghandi prooved violence didnt have to be used). Terrorism is terrorism, end of. If you are using violence/fear to gain political aims then you are a terrorist. Mandella was a terrorist, Che was a terrorist, Washington was a terrorist, Bin Laden is a Terrorist. I might sympathise with Washington and Mandella, but they still used violence/fear and there were still terrorists because of that.

How can one be called a terrorist when they are fighting for their lives against State-sponsored terrorism? Coercion by fear and terror is the regular agenda through central governments as well, but is instead masqueraded as domestic and foreign policy. What gives?

It's best to be careful of what one calls "terrorism". The folks in government over here use the term quite liberally, even claiming those who support Ron Paul "could be a terrorist" in the famous MIAC Report.

 

[Enron]

He whored himself out to Fox in oct/nov iirc and made Britain look horrible, the mans a douche.

Oh I don't watch FOX. Contrary to belief FOX isn't a state run television station.

 

[Dragon]

I watch FOX News sometimes and they really liked to kiss Bush's ass

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Oh I don't watch FOX. Contrary to belief FOX isn't a state run television station.

yes it's america that is a fox run state

 

[Zé Tahir]

yes it's america that is a fox run state

Zing!

 

[X Æ A-12]

Oh I don't watch FOX. Contrary to belief FOX isn't a state run television station.

At least not while Obama is in office

I watch FOX News sometimes and they really liked to kiss Bush's ass

No more than MSNBC kissed Obama's or Clinton's

 

[X Æ A-12]

yes it's america that is a fox run state

But we have a somewhat black president

 

[Ford Prefect]

How can one be called a terrorist when they are fighting for their lives against State-sponsored terrorism? Coercion by fear and terror is the regular agenda through central governments as well, but is instead masqueraded as domestic and foreign policy. What gives?

It's best to be careful of what one calls "terrorism". The folks in government over here use the term quite liberally, even claiming those who support Ron Paul "could be a terrorist" in the famous MIAC Report.

I am not talking about why groups use violence, that is a different debate about morality. The simple matter is based on the definition of terrorism that is used by the UN;

'The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear'

If you fall into that catigory, then you are a terrorist. Why you are doing it
is a completly different matter. Do you understand where i am coming from?

Oh I don't watch FOX. Contrary to belief FOX isn't a state run television station.

I am aware of that, but when the big fuss was about the Health Care reforms he was the expert that was called upon by a lot of the US Networks as a voice for a country that has nationalised healthcare and he then whored himself out the FOX because they were the only channel that believed him.

 

[Bjerknes]

Fact of the matter is, the MSM is all garbage now. It's not detail-oriented, but rather agenda-oriented. MSNBC is just the Obama brother to Fix News. Can't rely on that crap anymore. Read, don't watch.