Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Well that's the problem. We shouldn't be bailing these banks out, neither the auto industry, so that we don't have to keep borrowing more and more from China.

Instead of letting a few banks fail, we wanted to risk the entire country of defaulting. Thanks a lot, government.



The US automakers are at fault for this disaster? No way, man.

This recession/depression was caused by the housing bubble collapse and spurred on by fancy derivatives traded by investment banks and insurers that were collateralized by nothing. Those bankers then passed those instruments down to common folk all across the world, with people not protecting themselves from exposure to the risk involved. These people were also lied to by bond raters such as Standard and Poor's who gave all these products developed by bankers AAA ratings. Once housing prices became too high, nobody was able to buy, so all those who speculated that housing prices would always rise started feeling the pain. That's when everything started to collapse in a positive feedback sort of fashion.

The automakers are at fault for not being able to produce a good product, as well as sending jobs overseas by means of government policy. The bankers, rating agencies, and insurance companies are the institutions to blame for this disaster, along with the government of course and ESPECIALLY the Federal Reserve for not allowing the free market to set interest rates.

And I am not so sure we will recover in two years. This is quite frankly a disaster we've never seen before. The market is trying to send housing prices lower, trying to send other assets lower and banks out the door, but the government is trying to do the opposite by flooding the economy with money. This has never worked before.
That is more or less what I was driving at. Market forecasts were not that promising and in lieu of the housing market so unstable and people defaulting on loans with no hope of ever being able to pay them (and shame on the banks/mortgage industry for giving them out to those whom were risky) I think those in the auto industry could have done a better job for their own benefit. I understand the housing market was the catalyst in this disaster but like you said, and what I was trying to say is that not only did the auto industry not make vehicles competitive enough to the Japs but they continued to make cars that were gas guzzlers and that had nothing to do with the housing market. What I am trying to say is, amidst some pretty wild economic predictions that ultimately became reality the auto industry was not quick enough to regain their niche in the US auto industry. The smart Japs continued to make efficient yet highly reliable cars (even the Germans). Now all the people that bought homes and defaulting on their payments either had or wanted large SUVs in which gas was so astronomical at the time they were only digging their graves deeper in my opinion.

Now outsourcing that is a whole different story and can of worms. But, free market capitalism will have its winners and losers. That is the risk that you gotta take.
 

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Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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i dont know what seems to be the problem with me lately i have a migraine on daily basis!! its shit awuful to go to sleep with one of those f******.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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i dont know what seems to be the problem with me lately i have a migraine on daily basis!! its shit awuful to go to sleep with one of those f******.
you should really go to the doctor to get that checked out. my sister used to get migraines and then she had a few seizures caused by the migraines
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,420
you should really go to the doctor to get that checked out. my sister used to get migraines and then she had a few seizures caused by the migraines
i think i will dru thanks for the advice. i started wearing my glasses all the time not just when i read or study but it does'nt seem to be my eyes thats the reason behind it. for some reason i think its the food i eat since i dont cook and order food it could the garlic in there dressing not sure :cry: any way i will visit the dr at my uni hospital and see what he says. thanks once again bro
 

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