Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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There's more than one to look at it. The traders might have known something, but it wouldn't necessarily have been what actually happened. What were they trading in again?
A few entities bought 1000 times the normal volume of put options on Airline stocks in the days leading up to 9/11. This has been confirmed by reports and an insider named Max Kaiser who had contacts working in the towers telling him they were buying puts on American Airlines due to the possibility of planes hitting the towers. Put options are basically a contract to sell a stock at a particular price, so when the stock falls in value, you gain net profit.

Strangely enough, many of the options were not exercised at the strike price. In other words, whomever bought many of those options did not take the money. I don't know what to make of it, but not exercising those options is ridiculous at any other time in history.

I've researched the hell out of this. There was no detrimental news regarding airline stocks in the days before 9/11, there was no major shocks to the crude market in the days before the attack to signal a decline in airline stocks, and there was no signs in technical analysis to explain why someone would take a huge position in those options. So to this day, this event looks extremely suspicious and makes absolutely no sense.

Unfortunately, it looks like someone had prior knowledge, which is scary because it means some of our leaders might have known as well.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Thermite in the towers on the day of the attack is another dead giveaway, especially how the 9/11 Commission does not know how to address the situation.

Building 7 was brought down several hours after the attack in a "controlled demolition", but to take a building down like that you need at least three weeks of planning and securing the bombs for a safe take-down.

That also seems to show prior knowledge.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Well dropping airline stocks is one thing. Knowing about what exactly was going to happen is another. There could have been a rumor going around that made them do it, but is there really cause to tie it all together?
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Well dropping airline stocks is one thing. Knowing about what exactly was going to happen is another. There could have been a rumor going around that made them do it, but is there really cause to tie it all together?
Well, as I said, there was no news or shocks to related markets or even technical analysis to provide a signal for someone to take such a huge position like that. If there were rumors, which there were apparently, why did the event even take place? Surely if there are rumors floating around that somebody wold strike the towers, why didn't the government take precautionary measures?

Maybe it was a freak-of-nature coincidence, but to me as a young trader I can't see any sense behind this.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Well, as I said, there was no news or shocks to related markets or even technical analysis to provide a signal for someone to take such a huge position like that. If there were rumors, which there were apparently, why did the event even take place? Surely if there are rumors floating around that somebody wold strike the towers, why didn't the government take precautionary measures?

Maybe it was a freak-of-nature coincidence, but to me as a young trader I can't see any sense behind this.
I mean rumors about the airline. That something would come out, a scandal etc. Didn't have to mention anything about a plane crash even.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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I don't know why someone would be stupid enough to even take such a position because it is a dead giveaway. I mean, whomever it was didn't even exercise the options, which looks even more suspicious. After all, they have records of the purchases...
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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I mean rumors about the airline. That something would come out, a scandal etc. Didn't have to mention anything about a plane crash even.
Hmm, not sure really. But the options were purchased for United Airlines and American Airlines, so it's not limited to just one company. It was more of a broad sector thing.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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you're all a bunch of CT's if you ask me
I think the biggest conspiracy theory is not calling for more investigation to the events. People are so quick to toss the issue aside, yet five of the accused attackers are still alive and kicking.

Hell, if that shit is true I'm converting to Islam, because that's pretty sweet to come back alive like that.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Fact is for every historical event there are always loose ends, there isn't an explanation for everything. Coincidences happen also.
Indeed, but this event is simply too much for me. It has to be investigated more, but of course, just like Madoff, they didn't do anything until it was too late.
 

.zero

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I think the biggest conspiracy theory is not calling for more investigation to the events. People are so quick to toss the issue aside, yet five of the accused attackers are still alive and kicking.

Hell, if that shit is true I'm converting to Islam, because that's pretty sweet to come back alive like that.
look i don't believe that its simple cut-and-dry. i do believe that there is more to it than what the public was fed. but i don't know where to begin researching and what to even look for.

i say in 50 years we may come to know the truth about 9/11 but the Kennedy assassination was orchestrated beautifully and all the components are dead. thus leaving it unsolvable IMO
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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And at the very least, since there was no news or anything to indicate taking such a huge position in those options, then whatever happened could be investigated for insider trading because nothing, and I mean nothing, was made news during that time.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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look i don't believe that its simple cut-and-dry. i do believe that there is more to it than what the public was fed. but i don't know where to begin researching and what to even look for.

i say in 50 years we may come to know the truth about 9/11 but the Kennedy assassination was orchestrated beautifully and all the components are dead. thus leaving it unsolvable IMO
In my view, Kennedy's assassination isn't big news today. It doesn't affect the lives of others.

But 9/11 was an event that killed thousands and set a pretext to kill millions in Iraq and restrict personal freedoms in the United States. Every single citizen should be calling for more investigation into the matter, just like they should be calling for the heads of the people who orchestrated the financial collapse yet benefit from it through taxpayer bailouts. But folks don't want to care because they're too busy watching American Idol and all the other crap.

This isn't conspiracy theory here. There are enough discrepancies in the 9/11 Commission Report to force another investigation, which lawyers who represent the victims families are pushing for.

Even their families want another investigation because they know something is not right here, but now we're terrorist conspiracy theorists because we call for an investigation. Big deal.
 

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