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Like Meloni turned Italy upside down... The reality of the job is different to the campaign rhetoric.
He was a lot softer during this campaign compared to the previous Wilders. I didn’t vote for him but in a way I’m glad that he won, but they still have to form a majority with other parties of course.

Politicians of other parties didn’t ignore that he was right in the last +10 years about migration, and we’re talking about migration in a broad sense not just the asylum seekers. We have a shortage of houses of 400k houses on the short term, while 200k migrants arrived here this year. As a result of that it’s basically impossible to buy a house on one salary, and still very difficult on two salaries. Many people are reaching their 30s and are still living with their parents. The former parties just made a mess over the last periods.

There are other decisions regarding migration and pro-EU/globalism policies as for example foreign students will get a scholarship for university while Dutch students won’t. Results is that 40% of students at our universities aren’t Dutch and will leave this country debt-free, while Dutch students will finish school with a massive debt. Besides that they changed the main language to English instead of Dutch for many types of studies.

Other agendas like the LGBTQ and climate change -> farmers arent received particularly well here.

There has been a moment on tv where one of the leaders of the previous governing parties (a very progressive party) had to choose between Europe or The Netherlands, the idiot choose Europe while the whole country was watching.

Besides all of this poverty rose insanely much over the last 10 years, things like that push people to either that far right or far left side. The group of people struggling to pay the bills doubled while left parties said that climate change is our biggest problem, that’s not how you win voters of course.
 

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He was a lot softer during this campaign compared to the previous Wilders. I didn’t vote for him but in a way I’m glad that he won, but they still have to form a majority with other parties of course.

Politicians of other parties didn’t ignore that he was right in the last +10 years about migration, and we’re talking about migration in a broad sense not just the asylum seekers. We have a shortage of houses of 400k houses on the short term, while 200k migrants arrived here this year. As a result of that it’s basically impossible to buy a house on one salary, and still very difficult on two salaries. Many people are reaching their 30s and are still living with their parents. The former parties just made a mess over the last periods.

There are other decisions regarding migration and pro-EU/globalism policies as for example foreign students will get a scholarship for university while Dutch students won’t. Results is that 40% of students at our universities aren’t Dutch and will leave this country debt-free, while Dutch students will finish school with a massive debt. Besides that they changed the main language to English instead of Dutch for many types of studies.

Other agendas like the LGBTQ and climate change -> farmers arent received particularly well here.

There has been a moment on tv where one of the leaders of the previous governing parties (a very progressive party) had to choose between Europe or The Netherlands, the idiot choose Europe while the whole country was watching.

Besides all of this poverty rose insanely much over the last 10 years, things like that push people to either that far right or far left side. The group of people struggling to pay the bills doubled while left parties said that climate change is our biggest problem, that’s not how you win voters of course.
why? what is the benefit of this?
 

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why? what is the benefit of this?
I looked into this as it sounded wrong, and I think there's different information blended into one.

There are Dutch universities with 40% of international intake (that's the same or even less here than the % at King's or Imperial College), but that's not the % across the country, which is not as high as some other European countries (UK is one of the highest).

Also, there are scholarships open to international students, just as there are in other countries, but they are overwhelmingly not fully-funded - Maastricht offers a whole 24 (!) per year for international students, for example. The NL Scholarship referred to is a part-funded one for the first year. Otherwise as an international student you pay the usual 8-20k p/a you would anywhere for a bachelors or masters, with the higher rate for outside of the EEA.
 
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I looked into this as it sounded wrong, and I think there's different information blended into one.

There are Dutch universities with 40% of international intake (that's the same or even less here than the % at King's or Imperial College), but that's not the % across the country, which is not as high as some other European countries (UK is one of the highest).

Also, there are scholarships open to international students, just as there are in other countries, but they are overwhelmingly not fully-funded - Maastricht offers a whole 24 (!) per year for international students, for example. The NL Scholarship referred to is a part-funded one for the first year. Otherwise as an international student you pay the usual 8-20k p/a you would anywhere for a bachelors or masters, with the higher rate for outside of the EEA.
The scholarship related to doing x-amount of work on a monthly base (work meaning having a paid job). So you’re a international student and you work 30 hours per month besides your study; scholarship. Dutch students werent able to receive it, they had to go in debt. The rules are changing but that was the scenario more or less. Do you still have to pay for university while receiving a scholarship? Of course. It is different compared to completely loaning everything though

We call the students of the last 10 years the ‘bad luck generation’. They removed the scholarships to loans, with the promise that it wouldn’t influence their ability to mortgage. That turned out not being true, and from this year that also changes the interest rates on all that debt from 0,46ish to 2,50ish. Many of those people have way more debt compared to previous generation and aren’t particularly lucky on the housing market either

It wouldn’t surprise be if a big part of the demography of Wilders voters are people under their 40s.

About the 40% from CBS:

Steeds meer buitenlandse studenten schrijven zich in bij Nederlandse hogescholen en universiteiten. Ook tijdens de COVID-19 pandemie zette deze stijging door. In studiejaar 2021/’22 kwamen 115 duizend studenten uit het buitenland. Ruim 42 duizend van hen studeerden voor het eerst in Nederland, dat is 1 op de 4 eerstejaarsstudenten. Op de universiteiten komt zelfs 40 procent van de eerstejaars niet uit Nederland. Dit blijkt uit nieuwe cijfers van het CBS.
 

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