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Have you looked up Globeckly Tepi or whatever it is? That's supposed to pre-date most civs by about 5,000 years or something. Wild shit.
Yes, that’s one of the most famous sites that should date civilisation back thousands of years. And the crazy part is they only excavated like 1 or 2%.

At this point in time the Sumerians are still regarded as the first civilisation while there is quite strong evidence like Gobekli Tepe which dates back to 11,500 years ago, but the accepted theory for now is that is was build by hunter gatherers. That’s kinda one of the crucial parts in that whole discussion.

In my humble opinion, it wouldn’t surprise me if history books will get rewritten in the coming decades, possibly even accepting a pre-last ice age civilisation. If you think about it it’s quite strange anyway that Homo sapiens have been around for 300k years and we’ve only started building civilisation about 6000 years ago, and then out of the blue we created insanely precise structures.
 

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Yes, that’s one of the most famous sites that should date civilisation back thousands of years. And the crazy part is they only excavated like 1 or 2%.

At this point in time the Sumerians are still regarded as the first civilisation while there is quite strong evidence like Gobekli Tepe which dates back to 11,500 years ago, but the accepted theory for now is that is was build by hunter gatherers. That’s kinda one of the crucial parts in that whole discussion.

In my humble opinion, it wouldn’t surprise me if history books will get rewritten in the coming decades, possibly even accepting a pre-last ice age civilisation. If you think about it it’s quite strange anyway that Homo sapiens have been around for 300k years and we’ve only started building civilisation about 6000 years ago, and then out of the blue we created insanely precise structures.
Is what you are referring to considered younger dryas?
 

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A lot of things about "ancient peoples" I think are completely wrong. We're finding that they lived in parts of the world when we didn't think any humans were there for another 10-20,000 years. And we're also finding out that they're not the "primitives" modern peeps always make them out to be.

When I was at Knowth and Newgrange in Ireland last year, I also got the strong sense that humanity has forgotten a ton of things about how to build large structures aligned with the earth and water drainage, etc. I am not convinced that humans today are any smarter than they were 5000 years ago now. We've forgotten a lot since then.
 
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Is what you are referring to considered younger dryas?
The Younger Dryas is the last ice age (13k-11.5k years ago) and the discussion is often wether there was a advanced civilisation already pre- or during the last ice age (hence the Atlantis comment). The Younger Dryas Impact Theory is a theory (not yet fully mainstream accepted) of a possibility that humanity suffered a great blow due to multiple reasons, such as asteroids, slamming us back to the stone age.
 
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    A lot of things about "ancient peoples" I think are completely wrong. We're finding that they lived in parts of the world when we didn't think any humans were there for another 10-20,000 years. And we're also finding out that they're not the "primitives" modern peeps always make them out to be.

    When I was at Knowth and Newgrange in Ireland last year, I also got the strong sense that humanity has forgotten a ton of things about how to build large structures aligned with the earth and water drainage, etc. I am not convinced that humans today are any smarter than they were 5000 years ago now. We've forgotten a lot since then.
    If anything, our brains are smaller as we consume less meat and more bullshit.

    Our evolution is directly tied to killing and eating meat. So tell the vegans to blow cock.
     

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    A lot of things about "ancient peoples" I think are completely wrong. We're finding that they lived in parts of the world when we didn't think any humans were there for another 10-20,000 years. And we're also finding out that they're not the "primitives" modern peeps always make them out to be.

    When I was at Knowth and Newgrange in Ireland last year, I also got the strong sense that humanity has forgotten a ton of things about how to build large structures aligned with the earth and water drainage, etc. I am not convinced that humans today are any smarter than they were 5000 years ago now. We've forgotten a lot since then.
    Wouldn't advanced structure building civilizations leave an imprint though? From mining, stonework etc that would still be visible today
     

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    good point, would be ideal to get smart and blindly loyal but those two often don't go hand in hand. If you could instill some sense of belonging to the group in him Turk could probably be manipulated into taking a lot of risks you don't want to take yourself

    unless you have some deep tie, like sharing that sicillian blood, nobody with a brain is going to do a dime for you.
     

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