Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
SPD and CDU/CSU is the same. Schröder destroyed SPD, now befriending Putin. Third Way motherfucker similar to Blair and those idiots.
True about Schroeder, though I think that corrupt fucker was in it for himself, that became apparent after he left politics to serve on Gazproms board, I don't know how much I'd consider him to represent SPD right now. The party definitely isn't pro Russia in any way now, is it?

Like Labour now in the UK is no longer represented by that war mongerer Blair.

In all cases, IMO Europeans right now should be pragmatic in who they choose to vote for to ensure populists don't get a majority in more countries. So SPD, CDU so long as they keep the AfD out of government. With Russia growing ever more confident, its important that populists are kept out for Europe to remain strong.
 

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AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,785
The experience itself was mind-opening. Your perceptions can be WILDLY different on these things. It's almost like an "unscripting" drug. I say that because all of the habits and norms we take for granted go out the window. Every experience and thought gets a chance to be thought about in a naked way. For example, we took the shrooms at my friend's apartment and all of a sudden I was questioning the sanity of these buildings. It no longer seemed normal that we stacked humans on top of each other in neat little squares. I spent a lot of time considering this. This isn't to say there's anything wrong with apartment buildings but it explains how something I took for granted as a habit was suddenly put under a microscope and I was given a way to look at it as if I had never heard of apartment buildings before. I had no frame of reference to put them in. Every thought was fresh and new and from a different angle.

I recall reading that mushrooms (and other psychedelics) interrupt your ability to recall associations quickly or accurately. I have no idea if it's correct but the description fits. In your normal day to day lives your brain acts VERY quickly to make sense of everything. You look up and in a second that cloud is shaped like a turtle. Your brain just saw a random shape and in a split second decided it looked enough like a turtle that it made you think of a turtle. On mushrooms that lightning quick association doesn't exist. You need to think about everything as if there are no associations because for those few hours there pretty much isn't any.
That sounds pretty terrible, to be honest :p
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,789
What skill? That skill might be stupid or not needed for a future job. It might be a waste of time, despite the prettier CV.



Why shouldn't he quit?
A skill could be a radiology tech or a business analyst cert, it's not glamorous but imo it has a good income to lifestyle ratio. And besides the obvious reasons, you stay at your job because generally you are more productive in a routine and for most it is hard to stick to a self imposed routine
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
True about Schroeder, though I think that corrupt fucker was in it for himself, that became apparent after he left politics to serve on Gazproms board, I don't know how much I'd consider him to represent SPD right now. The party definitely isn't pro Russia in any way now, is it?

Like Labour now in the UK is no longer represented by that war mongerer Blair.

In all cases, IMO Europeans right now should be pragmatic in who they choose to vote for to ensure populists don't get a majority in more countries. So SPD, CDU so long as they keep the AfD out of government. With Russia growing ever more confident, its important that populists are kept out for Europe to remain strong.
It's the domestic policies of SPD and to soem degree Eurozone policies, that have killed off SPD. But no, only buffoons support the Putin autocracy.

You can't keep populist from power, if you don't listen to "the ordinary man". This have been ignored for too many years; regarding immigration, economy, free movement of Europe, laissez faire view on "original" domestic and so on (ie. globalisation)

The populations of Europe don't want anymore migrants/refugees from Africa and Asia (especially muslim countries), even Swedish people wants a decrease in numbers. Thankfully governments around Europe is waking up, sad that it had to take an extreme right wing-movement to wake up.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
It's the domestic policies of SPD and to soem degree Eurozone policies, that have killed off SPD. But no, only buffoons support the Putin autocracy.

You can't keep populist from power, if you don't listen to "the ordinary man". This have been ignored for too many years; regarding immigration, economy, free movement of Europe, laissez faire view on "original" domestic and so on (ie. globalisation)

The populations of Europe don't want anymore migrants/refugees from Africa and Asia (especially muslim countries), even Swedish people wants a decrease in numbers. Thankfully governments around Europe is waking up, sad that it had to take an extreme right wing-movement to wake up.
This is so true. Political parties in the western world have lost touch with the common citizen, especially centrist and left leaning parties. Immigration is a huge problem, I mean from an economic point of view, with the demographics of most western European countries immigration, when done right, is vital for their labor markets, but it needs to be done right. Admitting a large influx of refugees and largely uneducated people from third world countries, many of whom don't integrate and barely learn the language and culture of the countries they're immigrating to was never going to go down well with native populations. While its admirable from a humanitarian and moral perspective, its paramount to political suicide for governments and/or parties pushing for it.

I've been to Italy quite a few times in the past few years, and to be honest I can totally understand why the "common man" would have such a negative reaction to immigration. It didn't surprise me that Grillo's party was able to get so many votes tbh.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,326
Is is that hard to avoid driving through a zona traffico limitato?

Parents revieved a letter from Rome today, €160 :touched:

Last month Pisa, €140 :touched:

:lol: :sergio:

The signs are not exactly obvious, no.

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It's the domestic policies of SPD and to soem degree Eurozone policies, that have killed off SPD. But no, only buffoons support the Putin autocracy.

You can't keep populist from power, if you don't listen to "the ordinary man". This have been ignored for too many years; regarding immigration, economy, free movement of Europe, laissez faire view on "original" domestic and so on (ie. globalisation)

The populations of Europe don't want anymore migrants/refugees from Africa and Asia (especially muslim countries), even Swedish people wants a decrease in numbers. Thankfully governments around Europe is waking up, sad that it had to take an extreme right wing-movement to wake up.

This in itself is not wrong. I don't want more Afghan refugees either. 90% of them are unskilled, totally unprepared for life in Belgium and realistically will not really add anything to our society for the remainder of their lives. I don't think the future is particularly interesting for them either. By the time they are somewhat able to work, they'll be 50.

But that doesn't change the fact that, as a human being, I understand why we have to allow some refugees to settle in Belgium. It's not a question of want at all imo. It's something we has human beings have to do.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
But that doesn't change the fact that, as a human being, I understand why we have to allow some refugees to settle in Belgium. It's not a question of want at all imo. It's something we has human beings have to do.
Only 'cause you've been brought up in the Western tradition of philosophy thereof humanism.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,326
Only 'cause you've been brought up in the Western tradition of philosophy thereof humanism.

Sure. Most values are taught. Or at the very least the importance of certain values in relationship to other values is taught. So yes, I am speaking from my upbringing.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Sure. Most values are taught. Or at the very least the importance of certain values in relationship to other values is taught. So yes, I am speaking from my upbringing.
But these values are changing. The idyllic ideas from WW2 to 9/11, I suspect, will be a side-note in history rather than the new beginning many thought.

Internally - in the West - we'll keep these value as a core of society, but they won't apply to those outside 'our Tribe'. Instead we'll look towards a type of Marshall plan for Africa, while the compassion for the Middle East is all but gone, which Syria, Palestine and Yemen are great examples of.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,326
But these values are changing. The idyllic ideas from WW2 to 9/11, I suspect, will be a side-note in history rather than the new beginning many thought.

Internally - in the West - we'll keep these value as a core of society, but they won't apply to those outside 'our Tribe'. Instead we'll look towards a type of Marshall plan for Africa, while the compassion for the Middle East is all but gone, which Syria, Palestine and Yemen are great examples of.
Yes. I'm not disagreeing with you. Far from it. Maybe I should have phrased it better. It's my personal belief that it is not a question of want, but a question of should. The necessity is somewhat reflected in the Refugee Convention though.

Compassion is a different emotion in my opinion. I find it very hard to show any sort of compassion for the very real difficulties a country like Israel faces. If the situation would become unbearable for Israelis and they had to flee to Europe, my gut response would honestly be 'fuck them'. But I would hope that I would be able to set aside that emotion.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,923
It's the domestic policies of SPD and to soem degree Eurozone policies, that have killed off SPD. But no, only buffoons support the Putin autocracy.

You can't keep populist from power, if you don't listen to "the ordinary man". This have been ignored for too many years; regarding immigration, economy, free movement of Europe, laissez faire view on "original" domestic and so on (ie. globalisation)

The populations of Europe don't want anymore migrants/refugees from Africa and Asia (especially muslim countries), even Swedish people wants a decrease in numbers. Thankfully governments around Europe is waking up, sad that it had to take an extreme right wing-movement to wake up.
Yeah, you need more South Americans.
 

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