That is terrible, I don't think anyone can defend that. You don't have to be capitalist to say that there has to be a difference between those who work and those who don't, especially if you are young and able.
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It's a difficult debate imo.
On the one hand you can't allow people to whither and die just because they don't work. And I don't just mean physical death. Welfare that is too low causes social isolation and really doesn't help people get out of the hole.
I think the problem in Belgium is that we have quite low wages for unskilled work.
On the one hand you can't allow people to whither and die just because they don't work. And I don't just mean physical death. Welfare that is too low causes social isolation and really doesn't help people get out of the hole.
I think the problem in Belgium is that we have quite low wages for unskilled work.
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Zach doesn't get that distinction.
Also, not all our money goes to supporting drunk, abusive and sex crazed parents who produce children in order to get child support. In fact I think most of our resources probably go to our healthcare system, which ranks among the best in the world. But that's Zach for you.
Also, not all our money goes to supporting drunk, abusive and sex crazed parents who produce children in order to get child support. In fact I think most of our resources probably go to our healthcare system, which ranks among the best in the world. But that's Zach for you.
How is it possible that as an engineer you make so "little" before taxes? They make ridiculous amounts of money here. But you risk being stabbed on the train on the way to work by a crazed homeless man, so there are some tradeoffs 
If you want to get rich here, become a doctor. If you want to get really rich, become a dentist.
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A capitalist would say, its an incentive to do better then where you came from. It was for me.
i dropped out due to reasons (whomen), and had a job which earned marginally more then my parents, around 250 euro's more when working night shifts.
Returned to collegue, finished bachelors degree (but thats also shifts), and finished masters degree after quite significant financial consequences (depth) to now earn more then my parents combined at my age while not having to pay for my car, diesel or phone
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If i were to move to your country and get a job as a validation engineer in a pharma company, i start at 125,000/yr.
But this is Belgium
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Yeah, thats true.
But its the socialist party's strenght for decaces that created this "perfect" socialist situation. Companies and people who want to get ahead in life are taxed to ludicrious degree's so a retarded amount of lazy workunwilling slobs can sit home and drink their beer after beating their wife or trowing our their chronically pregnant daughter called sharon out again.
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I get it but i refuse to call it anything else then a socialist fucking mess.
And seriously. Look up statistics. We got insane abuse of the social welfare and ill support welfare
In theory, its so nice.
In reality, it gets abused the shit out of it.
And our welcare is incredibly sluggish, big and unefficient. But thats the state for you. You are well aware tbh
i dropped out due to reasons (whomen), and had a job which earned marginally more then my parents, around 250 euro's more when working night shifts.
Returned to collegue, finished bachelors degree (but thats also shifts), and finished masters degree after quite significant financial consequences (depth) to now earn more then my parents combined at my age while not having to pay for my car, diesel or phone
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How is it possible that as an engineer you make so "little" before taxes? They make ridiculous amounts of money here. But you risk being stabbed on the train on the way to work by a crazed homeless man, so there are some tradeoffs
But this is Belgium
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Yeah, thats true.
But its the socialist party's strenght for decaces that created this "perfect" socialist situation. Companies and people who want to get ahead in life are taxed to ludicrious degree's so a retarded amount of lazy workunwilling slobs can sit home and drink their beer after beating their wife or trowing our their chronically pregnant daughter called sharon out again.
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I get it but i refuse to call it anything else then a socialist fucking mess.
And seriously. Look up statistics. We got insane abuse of the social welfare and ill support welfare
In theory, its so nice.
In reality, it gets abused the shit out of it.
And our welcare is incredibly sluggish, big and unefficient. But thats the state for you. You are well aware tbh
When Zach says that his employer pays 4.6k/month for him to get 1.9k that doesn't mean his gross salary is 4.6k though, the taxes that employer pays are never included in gross salary. I'm no Belgium tax expert, but I'd guess that his gross salary is probably somewhere between 3-3.5k, which is surprisingly low for a country like Belgium.
But I agree that's a heavy heavy tax burden for the people who're working, might be one of the highest in the world
But I agree that's a heavy heavy tax burden for the people who're working, might be one of the highest in the world