What Are You Doing Right Now? (146 Viewers)

[swag]

Let's not give poor people money because they'll waste it. Solid mindset Greg.

That's not it. It's "don't bitch about all your jobs going overseas when you're spending every dollar to accelerate your own demise."

 

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[Enron]

The issue is that McDonald's used to just be for kids in school working summer jobs and such. Now with half of the U.S. economy's middle class jobs vanishing, you now have family breadwinners working the same jobs and muscling out all the "kids".

It's kind of f'ed up. I understand why it's happening, but McDonald's shouldn't have to fix why none of these overqualified blue collar workers can't find better jobs to support their families.

They should adjust to the economic climate like the rest of us do.

 

[ALC]

While I agree minimum wage should be higher especially in areas with a high cost of living, if they get $15 an hour everyone else's wages would have to be adjusted too or else people would start to complain why the guys who work at McDonald's are making more than them.

yeah, and then stuff of price will go up and they'll be in the same exact situation as before.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I don't disagree. But the people on strike are looking at the problem all wrong.

I bet you their former union wages that they want $15/hour for U.S.-based jobs, and then they summarily spend all their wages buying up the cheapest shit at Wal-Mart to make the Chinese wealthy and thus send their very same precious $15/hr jobs overseas.

Dumbasses....

I may be a pinko lefty according to Andy, but I have my limits of self-inflicted stupidity.

It's okay, Andy tells me I'm dumb every time I don't agree with him, so it's okay.

I'm in your boat too.

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yeah, and then stuff of price will go up and they'll be in the same exact situation as before.

Oh shut up, we live in basements.

 

[ALC]

That's not it. It's "don't bitch about all your jobs going overseas when you're spending every dollar to accelerate your own demise."

they're not complaining about jobs going overseas, they're complaining about the fact they don't get middle class wages working at a fast food joint.

They should adjust to the economic climate like the rest of us do.

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Oh shut up, we live in basements.

that is true.

 

[Enron]

That's not it. It's "don't bitch about all your jobs going overseas when you're spending every dollar to accelerate your own demise."

That's a silly argument. There is no way to avoid spending money on things made overseas.

I think there's a bigger picture here than just McDonalds. The wage scale compared to what people need to live on is just silly.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Yea, that's true, even my car was made in Missouri, West Virginia, Texas, Mexico, and Japan.

 

[Enron]

Yea, that's true, even my car was made in Missouri, West Virginia, Texas, Mexico, and Japan.

Yo Pat White just threw a pick 6 to Nadje Goode. How great is that?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

HAHAHAHAHAHA that's great.


However...

(threw)

 

[Ragazza]

Where are you from?

In New York city, secretaries make 90,000 a year, $15/hr is about 30,000 an hour.

California. I think minimum wage is still $8/hr here, I work in retail & make $10/hr.

 

[Enron]

California. I think minimum wage is still $8/hr here, I work in retail & make $10/hr.

Does 20k/year and no benies motivate you to succeed?

 

[swag]

That's a silly argument. There is no way to avoid spending money on things made overseas.

I think there's a bigger picture here than just McDonalds. The wage scale compared to what people need to live on is just silly.

You can't avoid it, but everybody with a dollar in hand gets to make choices. Every dollar you cash out on $29 DVD players at Wal-Mart changes the global market of supply and demand, and we have a nation of people who are completely disconnected from how their consumer choices affect their own lives.

As for the wage scale vs. what people need to live on, if breadwinners muscle out high school students for their jobs, does that naturally imply that those same jobs should suddenly be valued much more highly just because an out-of-work factory employee trying to support his/her family just squeezed aside a kid looking for extra money to buy headphones for his iPod Touch?

The hardest jobs I ever worked -- ones I sweated my ass off -- were the least paid and least valued by society. It's hardly skilled labor, and the supply overwhelms the demand. This isn't my take on yelling at a homeless guy to "get a job". But what gets done in a fast food restaurant isn't worth $15/hour, IMO.

The market is always skewed towards paying what we think things are worth and what people are willing to spend -- not what it takes to support a family, regardless of the labor. Minimum wage laws are a little bit of an exception, because people will pay illegals $3/hour if they could get away with it. But let's not pretend that flipping burgers is somehow equivalent to operating a tool & die drill.

 

[Ragazza]

Does 20k/year and no benies motivate you to succeed?

To be honest, the only reason I haven't tried to get a better paying job is because I am in a seemingly rare situation where I actually like my boss & all my colleagues. Besides, I'm moving to the UK next year so there's no sense in changing jobs now.

But yeah, there is little room for advancement, I know people who have been working there for years & still haven't been offered any kind of management role, and even when they do give raises they're pretty insignificant. And they couldn't pay me enough to deal with some of the customers that frequent the place.

 

[Enron]

To be honest, the only reason I haven't tried to get a better paying job is because I am in a seemingly rare situation where I actually like my boss & all my colleagues. Besides, I'm moving to the UK next year so there's no sense in changing jobs now.

But yeah, there is little room for advancement, I know people who have been working there for years & still haven't been offered any kind of management role, and even when they do give raises they're pretty insignificant. And they couldn't pay me enough to deal with some of the customers that frequent the place.

I worked a lot of retail as well. Gotta love it when the boss calls you into the office to let you know you've earn that 16 cent raise.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Plus, Gregger, on the supply and demand side, if Mickey Diesel's was hard, they would fire all the employees and hire the high school kids for the same cost.

 

[swag]

Plus, Gregger, on the supply and demand side, if Mickey Diesel's was hard, they would fire all the employees and hire the high school kids for the same cost.

Problem is that they're getting adults accepting adolescent wages. And what employer wouldn't take that tradeoff?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Problem is that they're getting adults accepting adolescent wages. And what employer wouldn't take that tradeoff?

Well, when they try to strike and organize a union, every one.

 

[Enron]

Problem is that they're getting adults accepting adolescent wages. And what employer wouldn't take that tradeoff?

They could just implant a policy of hiring workers under 20 years of age, except management positions.

 

[swag]

Well, when they try to strike and organize a union, every one.

True dat. Therein lies the problem if these strikes are in any way successful: hello, kiddies.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

They could just implant a policy of hiring workers under 20 years of age, except management positions.

Against federal law.

EOE says you can't do it based on religion, color, creed, age, sex, et cetera.