Weston “Royale Avec Fromage” McKennie (420 Viewers)

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Vidal 2010-11 was 10 times the player Mckennie currently is.
I love how you come up with these random Vidal is X times the player Mckennie is all the time. Last time I think you said he was 20 times the player, so Mckennie must be getting better in your mind!

Mckennie was good at making runs into the box and chipping in the occasional goal, and good at providing energy in the mid by running around like a madman with zero positional awareness. I like his raw attributes but there are some strange misconceptions about his game.
You also have to realize Mckennie was being used in different roles under Pirlo, more advanced or outside roles than what he normally plays. And who knows what he was tasked with by the winemaker during those matches. For the USMNT, he is typically used as the right side of the midfield 3, or a central midfielder in a 3-4-3. Within those roles, he rarely gets caught out of position, wins 50/50 balls like crazy, and makes bombing runs from midfield into the box. I think his passing range needs work, but his positional sense is definitely not as bad as you and others make it out to be. So I think there is a lot of misconceptions about the player because some have only seen him play a handful of times for Juve.
 

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Catenaccio

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Jul 15, 2002
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Selling Mckennie and bringing in Pjanic would be moronic. Allegri said himself that last season the midfield didn't score many goals - Mckennie was the only one. He is still young and naive at times but with the right coach he can grow a lot and he has a great attitude.

He was also probably our best midfielder last year - especially in the first half of the season.

In the last 4-5 years, Juventus have hardly invested any money on the midfield - getting midfielders on free transfers only to settle for mediocre ones and paying them high wages. McKennie is on low wages, young with potential. Even if someone wants to pay 30-35m for him, I think it is short sighted.
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
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He is young and has loads of room for improvement. I think he will be even better this season after having more time to settle in and an intelligent manager to guide him. Would be crazy to sell.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I love how you come up with these random Vidal is X times the player Mckennie is all the time. Last time I think you said he was 20 times the player, so Mckennie must be getting better in your mind!



You also have to realize Mckennie was being used in different roles under Pirlo, more advanced or outside roles than what he normally plays. And who knows what he was tasked with by the winemaker during those matches. For the USMNT, he is typically used as the right side of the midfield 3, or a central midfielder in a 3-4-3. Within those roles, he rarely gets caught out of position, wins 50/50 balls like crazy, and makes bombing runs from midfield into the box. I think his passing range needs work, but his positional sense is definitely not as bad as you and others make it out to be. So I think there is a lot of misconceptions about the player because some have only seen him play a handful of times for Juve.
Nah. He averaged 1.6 tackles per match in his best season for Schalke. 1.6 interceptions/match was his best too. He’s not a ball winner. It’s amusing that he’s being portrayed as such. I know Americans see him as a point of pride. And he has some good raw attributes, but he’s nowhere near being a top class mid get. I’ll be cheering for him to become one though.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Nah. He averaged 1.6 tackles per match in his best season for Schalke. 1.6 interceptions/match was his best too. He’s not a ball winner. It’s amusing that he’s being portrayed as such. I know Americans see him as a point of pride. And he has some good raw attributes, but he’s nowhere near being a top class mid get. I’ll be cheering for him to become one though.
If you’re going to use stats then also consider these.

https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/an-analytical-look-at-weston-mckennie/

Not about pride, it’s just there are a lot of stupid posts in this thread.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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If you’re going to use stats then also consider these.

https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/an-analytical-look-at-weston-mckennie/

Not about pride, it’s just there are a lot of stupid posts in this thread.
And again, he’s not a ball-winner. He’s more of a Khedira, but without the impressive game reading ability that made Khedira world class before his decline, another player who interrupted play with his positioning, movement and interceptions, but was not in the slightest a ball-winning tackler (still averaged more tackles/game than Mckennie).

Anyways, thanks for the link, it’s a good read. I like Weston and think he has lots of raw talent, but we don’t need to make him out to be something he’s not. And a world class, high grinta, all around B2B mid like Vidal is something he is not.
 

Bjerknes

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And again, he’s not a ball-winner. He’s more of a Khedira, but without the impressive game reading ability that made Khedira world class before his decline, another player who interrupted play with his positioning, movement and interceptions, but was not in the slightest a ball-winning tackler (still averaged more tackles/game than Mckennie).

Anyways, thanks for the link, it’s a good read. I like Weston and think he has lots of raw talent, but we don’t need to make him out to be something he’s not. And a world class, high grinta, all around B2B mid like Vidal is something he is not.
I don’t know who’s calling him primarily a ball winner, it’s always been obvious to anyone who knows something about the player he’s B2B. Winning 50/50 balls isn’t even all tackling; it’s about beating opponents and reading the game.

Those stats (since we are using stats) demonstrate that this player does have positional awareness, can read the game, and is not a headless chicken like many of the posts here have claimed. It seems like the headless chicken was probably Pirlo.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I can't picture any other midfielder that we have putting in a shift like he did in the Nations League final vs Mexico.
:lol:

Locatelli is a far better midfielder. C’mon. I can’t picture Mckennie doing anything close to what Locatelli did in Euro group stage, or for Sassuolo last year.

Also, Bentancur, who I’m not particularly a fan of has been excellent for Uruguay for years. NT play has little to with club team performance.
 
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Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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:lol:

Locatelli is a far better midfielder. C’mon. I can’t picture Mckennie doing anything close to what Locatelli did in Euro group stage, or for Sassuolo last year.

Also, Bentancur, who I’m not particularly a fan of has been excellent for Uruguay for years.
Locatelli is easily our best midfielder
McK is probably our 2nd best with Rabiot at 3rd
Bentancur has been great for us under Sarri but then he had the most terrible season possible. Tough to say if its a rough patch or permanent but I do know we cant allow another season like that.

If we play 4-2-3-1 McK should be on the bench as IMO he cant play effectively in one of the two in the middle.
If we play 4-3-3 Rabiot Mck Locatelli is probably the best we could field at the moment.

Then there is the Pjanic thing - If we get him McK could lose his spot (depends on how Allegri rates him vs Rabiot as I dont think he`ll bench Pjanic)
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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:lol:

Locatelli is a far better midfielder. C’mon. I can’t picture Mckennie doing anything close to what Locatelli did in Euro group stage, or for Sassuolo last year.

Also, Bentancur, who I’m not particularly a fan of has been excellent for Uruguay for years. NT play has little to with club team performance.
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I can't picture any other midfielder that we have putting in a shift like he did in the Nations League final vs Mexico.
He was an absolute beast. Locatelli might have been good helping control play, but you're 100% right.
 

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