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Uruguay goalkeeper Fernando Muslera believes they will “beat Italy with their own history: defend and counter.”

The former Lazio shot-stopper is looking forward to Tuesday’s Group D showdown, even though La Celeste need a victory to continue the World Cup campaign.

“We will beat Italy with their own history: defend and counter-attack,” Muslera told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“It is going to be extremely tough and there’s no room for calculations. Either we win or we go home. However, in these extreme conditions we become even stronger.

“Cesare Prandelli’s squad is strong. Gigi Buffon is a legend, Andrea Pirlo is the starting point for every move and the Juventus block represents the soul of the side.”
 

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All they need is six more opponents to play like shit and self-destruct down to 10 men.
Thank you

Alessandro Del Piero ha parlato a Radio Deejay: "Penso che Prandelli possa risolvere tutti i problemi che la squadra ha mostrato ieri. Servirà una concentrazione maggiore a quella di ieri sera ma l'Italia ce la possiamo fare. Nel 2006 c'è stata la stessa identica situazione, mi sembra che l'Italia abbia sempre sbagliato la seconda partita e non c'è scritto che con due vittorie si è già qualificati. È stata una sconfitta globale, in tutti è mancato un pizzico di concentrazione e tutti hanno sofferto il caldo più di loro"
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Behind the trend of underachievement, of course, there are specific reasons for the failure at each World Cup. In 1994, Argentina never recovered from the shock of Diego Maradona’s positive drug test. In 1998, they were beaten in a superb quarter-final by Holland and Dennis Bergkamp’s majestic goal. In 2002, under Marcelo Bielsa, they went out in the group stage despite having won more corners and having more shots than anybody else. In 2010, a richly talented forward line was squandered by the scattergun management of Maradona.

It is 2006 that really haunts Argentina, though. By then Pékerman had replaced Bielsa as coach of the senior team and Tocalli, while running the Under-20 side, was one of his assistants. Argentina were superb in the group stage, putting six past Serbia-Montenegro, including the fabled 23-pass move finished off by Esteban Cambiasso. In the last 16 they beat Mexico – the only side they have beaten in knockout games at World Cups since 1990 without recourse to penalties – thanks to Maxi Rodríguez’s brilliant volley in extra-time. In the quarter-final, they faced Germany and led 1-0 with 18 minutes remaining when Pékerman took off Juan Román Riquelme and replaced him with Cambiasso. For many, it was the moment at which Pékerman lost his nerve and lost the World Cup.

Tocalli, though, insists it was the injuries that undid them. A minute before Riquelme was withdrawn the goalkeeper, Roberto Abbondanzieri, was forced off for Leo Franco. Seven minutes later, Pékerman also had to replace the injured Hernan Crespo. With Lionel Messi, Pablo Aimar and Javier Saviola on the bench, Pékerman turned to Julio Cruz, a tall and awkward striker.

“We knew Riquelme so well, we’d had him since he was 14, when he was a No5,” said Tocalli. “We knew that if he lost three consecutive passes it was because either he was tired or had another problem. We were winning 1-0 and we were seeing that he was losing many balls, that he didn’t move as much and that his passes weren’t deep. We didn’t see the spark, he seemed tired.

“We had Cambiasso on the bench, a good ball-winner but also very technical when it came to passing the ball. So winning 1-0, we said, Cambiasso for Riquelme, we keep playing football but with more ball-winning. The same with Cruz. Why Cruz and not Messi? Because we felt that Germany were lethal in the air and we had to balance that, we thought that the only way for them to score was with headers from set-pieces. And they ended up scoring with a header but with a 40-metre long ball: nobody could have thought that.”

A minute after Cruz came on, Tim Borowski flicked on Michael Ballack’s cross and Miroslav Klose headed in at the back post. Germany went on to win on penalties and amid rumours of splits within the camp, Pékerman took the blame. Yet given that he had correctly identified the German threat and had taken measures to combat it, it could be argued he was simply unlucky.

And that, perhaps, is a truth of the World Cup. It is not a league. It is not played every year. Even the very best players rarely get more than two or three tournaments at their very peak. Argentina’s great generation has lasted longer than most but still, this is only its fifth tournament, and that means there is plenty of scope for luck to intervene.

At least this time they have a coach who is not simply trying to ram every gifted attacking player in the squad into his side. Alejandro Sabella, though, in a sense is still reaping the harvest of Maradona’s reign – and the subsequent chaos of Sergio Batista’s time in charge, when Argentina spluttered to a quarter-final exit in a home Copa América. Expectation is magnified because the recognition has dawned that the flow of talent may not go on for ever and that there is a need to take advantage now.
I think this is Argie's year after underperforming in WC for so long....and i was amazed how Pekerman would do such suicidal thing with his subs back in '06....guess this explains it
 
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    True. If only there were more teams like Portugal for them.
    One match. I don't feel like I have anything to go on yet for how Germany will play. The match against Portugal was more of a freak show than anything indicative or anything that tested their mettle in tighter competition.

    Italy looked impressive against England. Then: Costa Rica.
    Netherlands looked indestructible against Spain. Then: Australia.

    There's a lot of youth in Germany, and they started out the Portugal match making a number of defensive errors that Portugal didn't have its act together to capitalize on. So we don't know jack about Germany.
     

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    One match. I don't feel like I have anything to go on yet for how Germany will play. The match against Portugal was more of a freak show than anything indicative or anything that tested their mettle in tighter competition.

    Italy looked impressive against England. Then: Costa Rica.
    Netherlands looked indestructible against Spain. Then: Australia.

    There's a lot of youth in Germany, and they started out the Portugal match making a number of defensive errors that Portugal didn't have its act together to capitalize on. So we don't know jack about Germany.
    I'm not judging them on their game against Portugal alone. They have great players in every department, unlike both Italy and Holland. Their bench is class as well. The only teams which come close to their talent are Brazil and Argentina, but they edge them as well. This current German generation is great and I think it's only their's to lose at this point.
     
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    I'm not judging them on their game against Portugal alone. They have great players in every department, unlike both Italy and Holland. Their bench is class as well. The only teams which come close to their talent are Brazil and Argentina, but they edge them as well. This current German generation is great and I think it's only their's to lose at this point.
    In terms of player-for-player talent, I'd agree they're probably the best side in this tournament. But what are they as a unit? And in South America?

    We saw Argentina in 2006 in Germany, who then perhaps had the most stacked roster. You can't rest on your individual talents alone in this.
     

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    In terms of player-for-player talent, I'd agree they're probably the best side in this tournament. But what are they as a unit? And in South America?

    We saw Argentina in 2006 in Germany, who then perhaps had the most stacked roster. You can't rest on your individual talents alone in this.
    To be fair, most of them already play for the same club (Bayern). Sorta like Juve and Italy. They have Neuer, Boateng, Lahm, Muller, Goetze, Schweinsteiger and Kroos who are mostly starters in that team, so their chemistry isn't that bad as a unit. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. I do agree with you that it's not a common thing for a European team to win a WC outside of Europe.
     

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