[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (72 Viewers)

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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FIFA is bound to pick referees from all continents and that's why the refereeing is much poorer in the world cup rather than in the CL/EUROs.

An Asian referee being selected to officiate in the world cup only means that he is one of the best referees in Asia. By no means does it mean that he is actually among the 30 best refs in the world who are being selected to officiate in the world cup.
Bu Jsaim was selected to officiate in the semi finals of 98. That means he was one of the best at the time.
 

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Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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So you're judging a ref based on where he's coming from despite the fact that he took part in three world cups where he never had a questioned call but rather impressed there? That's idiotic to say the least.
How do you know this? You remember?

And if he impressed and didn't have a questioned call, how come he never officiated past the 1st knock-out round?
In 1990 he wasn't even given a knock-out match.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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so what are opponents of Fred saying then, is he incompetent because he's Syrian?
No, simply that what he says isn't the word of God. Fred had an opinion and he tried to strengthen it by saying that an ex referee thinks the same too.

And after that it was easy to wind him up :D
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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FIFA is bound to pick referees from all continents and that's why the refereeing is much poorer in the world cup rather than in the CL/EUROs.

An Asian referee being selected to officiate in the world cup only means that he is one of the best referees in Asia. By no means does it mean that he is actually among the 30 best refs in the world who are being selected to officiate in the world cup.
Tell you what, let's take that example of yours. Asian refs actually impressed in this wc with both the Japanese and the Uzbek one having better games than that of Europeans heavy weights. Rosetti comes to mind here.

So yes, every ref could fuck up but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it has nothing to do with the continent they're coming from but rather fitness, awareness and many other factors combined must be taken into account and thankfully they're.

Oh and fuck sake where did that sad face on the title come from :lol:
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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They're still better than a referee from Syria.

Fred, SYRIA!

One of these coaches was proclaimed the best coach of all time by Gazzetta dello sport and was the teacher of half those you mentioned in your post.
Unlike the guy from SYRIA.

Do they have a league in Syria?
The Uzbekistani ref has been in the top 3 this tournament.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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How do you know this? You remember?

And if he impressed and didn't have a questioned call, how come he never officiated past the 1st knock-out round?
In 1990 he wasn't even given a knock-out match.
He was given a knockout match in 1994 actually.


Though, he fucked that one up :D


Anyway back to football analysts. Would you rather have Sachi, Wenger and Aragones or some fluke coach like Blazevic, who if he was good enough would have found a decent job in a good league instead of an Asian league.


so what are opponents of Fred saying then, is he incompetent because he's Syrian?
Yes. Its like saying a Croatian referee would be corrupt just because he's Croatian .
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I would just point out that very often in the World Cup a referee is dropped, because of a mistake by a linesman.

You have to look at the team of officials and not just a ref in isolation.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Very true. There have been so many awful calls that one actually has to reconstruct what the tournament would have looked like had the refs actually done their job. The ONLY option now is technology, the game isn't credible anymore.
If technology is not used after this World Cup, the game has lost all credibility. You give the players a fucking plastic ball to kick around and you give them poor refs. You cannot expect them to perform when all circumstances around them tell them to fuck up. 2010 has been a disaster.
What you're missing is that how the players play really hasn't changed. How the referees officiate really hasn't changed. How the fans at the stadiums watch the matches hasn't really even changed.

The only difference that you're bitching and moaning about is centered exclusively around TV viewers. What the TV viewer sees and experiences has changed dramatically with the advent of pivoting, robotic, multi-angle, slow-motion 3-D cameras that would have required a NASA-like budget decades ago.

While TV revenues are obviously critical for the sport to succeed in a modern society, it really leaves a worse taste in my mouth for the players, referees, and pitch to wind up playing to the cameras instead of to the atmosphere of the actual match in real-life view.

People bitch and moan about the credibility of the sport only because they have the luxury of ridiculous perspectives and the presumption that everything you see on TV in slow motion is more "real" and accurate than anything that happens on the pitch in real time, witnessed by real human beings.

It's for those reasons I think technology isn't so much the solution as the original source of the problem. And to make the game bend over and grab its ankles because we want it to cater to fat, cheese-puff-munching, beer-guzzling, corporate sponsored TV viewers thousands of km from the match would be a net loss for the sport and it's credibility.

Throw on a couple of extra goal line refs if needed for the big money matches. But the rest is pure crap. We may as well have the athletes pack it up and we all watch a televised FIFA 2010 Xbox tournament instead.

Nice.

Are you going to make it to any games?
Yep. Tuesday for Holland-Uruguay.

Bummer that Paraguay lost. I was hoping to go around town here with the chant, "Two Guays, One Cup!!!!"

:(
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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No, simply that what he says isn't the word of God. Fred had an opinion and he tried to strengthen it by saying that an ex referee thinks the same too.

And after that it was easy to wind him up :D

I didn't have an opinion actually, at least not a strong one. I was unsure about the Villa penalty and i was unsure about Paraguays disallowed goal.


As for the second part...:D
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Tell you what, let's take that example of yours. Asian refs actually impressed in this wc with both the Japanese and the Uzbek one having better games than that of Europeans heavy weights. Rosetti comes to mind here.

So yes, every ref could fuck up but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it has nothing to do with the continent they're coming from but rather fitness, awareness and many other factors combined must be taken into account and thankfully they're.

Oh and fuck sake where did that sad face on the title come from :lol:
:D Yes exactly, Japanese refs are a bit of a joke as a collective but Nishimura has done very well.

Going away from the point here though, talking about the overall credibility of the referee - not his ability - in decision making doesn't add up, because ability dictates that.

Rosetti classed as the world's best but his linesman made a big call wrong and out he went, doesn't mean I wouldn't accept his version of events though.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Tell you what, let's take that example of yours. Asian refs actually impressed in this wc with both the Japanese and the Uzbek one having better games than that of Europeans heavy weights. Rosetti comes to mind here.

So yes, every ref could fuck up but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it has nothing to do with the continent they're coming from but rather fitness, awareness and many other factors combined must be taken into account and thankfully they're.
The Uzbek ref was imo the best so far.

It doesn't necessarily mean that an Italian ref is better than an Uzbek ref, as seen so far in this WC. But the chances are that a ref who comes from Italy and officiates a very important match in serie A and CL ever week, where every call he makes is being observed and discussed, where every wrong decision he makes might cost some teams millions, probably means that he became a great referee and means that he's probably better referee than someone who officiates matches in Montenegro, Syria, Guatemala or Croatia.
But, as said, it doesn't have to be the case.
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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How do you know this? You remember?

And if he impressed and didn't have a questioned call, how come he never officiated past the 1st knock-out round?
In 1990 he wasn't even given a knock-out match.
Because the FIFA were a bunch of racists and they hated Arabs...etc.


You know the same shit you came up with when commenting on the ref being Syrian could be put up there.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Anyway back to football analysts. Would you rather have Sachi, Wenger and Aragones or some fluke coach like Blazevic, who if he was good enough would have found a decent job in a good league instead of an Asian league.
:lol:

But hey, you lost it all when you said who is Blazevic compared to Pekerman :lol:
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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What you're missing is that how the players play really hasn't changed. How the referees officiate really hasn't changed. How the fans at the stadiums watch the matches hasn't really even changed.

The only difference that you're bitching and moaning about is centered exclusively around TV viewers. What the TV viewer sees and experiences has changed dramatically with the advent of pivoting, robotic, multi-angle, slow-motion 3-D cameras that would have required a NASA-like budget decades ago.

While TV revenues are obviously critical for the sport to succeed in a modern society, it really leaves a worse taste in my mouth for the players, referees, and pitch to wind up playing to the cameras instead of to the atmosphere of the actual match in real-life view.

People bitch and moan about the credibility of the sport only because they have the luxury of ridiculous perspectives and the presumption that everything you see on TV is slow motion is more "real" and accurate than anything that happens on the pitch in real time, witnessed by real human beings.

It's for those reasons I think technology isn't so much the solution as the original source of the problem. And to make the game bend over and grab its ankles because we want it to cater to fat, cheese-puff-munching, beer-guzzling, corporate sponsored TV viewers thousands of km from the match would be a net loss for the sport and it's credibility.

Throw on a couple of extra goal line refs if needed for the big money matches. But the rest is pure crap. We may as well have the athletes pack it up and all watch a televised FIFA 2010 Xbox tournament instead.



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Perhaps what you're missing is that a game in 1930 is not played at the same pace as a game in 2010. And even if it was, FUCK your reasoning. It's not even about questionable calls. The England goal wasn't questionable. It wasn't a ridiculous perspective, it wasn't about multi angle cameras and whatever THE FUCK you want to talk about. No, it was utter bullshit. For someone to come out right now and say that he doesn't want technology to be used to me means as much as someone condoning cheating.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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He was. Sharif wasn't, especially compared to Fanaei who got to officiate as the linesman in Italy-Brazil world cup final :D

So, Paraguay goal was wrongly disallowed.

How was it wrongly disallowed, what did that Persian say about it?



A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position


Didn't Cardozo interfere with Busquets?
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Perhaps what you're missing is that a game in 1930 is not played at the same pace as a game in 2010. And even if it was, FUCK your reasoning. It's not even about questionable calls. The England goal wasn't questionable. It wasn't a ridiculous perspective, it wasn't about multi angle cameras and whatever THE FUCK you want to talk about. No, it was utter bullshit. For someone to come out right now and say that he doesn't want technology to be used to me means as much as someone condoning cheating.
I don't think there is a debate to be had on goal line technology.

The question is how much technology should be used in other parts of the game.
 

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