[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (69 Viewers)

[Nicholas]

Fuck technology.

Football is the most talked about sport in the globe because of mistakes etc.

 

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[Seven]

I don't think there is a debate to be had on goal line technology.

The question is how much technology should be used in other parts of the game.

Obviously there is very much debate about it. How is it possible that offside is not determined by a technological aid? We can see about other things later, but offside and a bal crossing a goal line..

Please.

There can only be one reason technology isn't used if you really think about it. It's a farce.

 

[Fred]

But hey, you lost it all when you said who is Blazevic compared to Pekerman

Pekerman did a rather decent job with Argentina in 2006, plus he is one of the most successful youth coaches ever, he won the youth WC three times.

But your right i should have just said Sacchi, Wenger and Aragones

 

[swag]

Perhaps what you're missing is that a game in 1930 is not played at the same pace as a game in 2010. And even if it was, FUCK your reasoning. It's not even about questionable calls. The England goal wasn't questionable. It wasn't a ridiculous perspective, it wasn't about multi angle cameras and whatever THE FUCK you want to talk about. No, it was utter bullshit. For someone to come out right now and say that he doesn't want technology to be used to me means as much as someone condoning cheating.

Time to exhale there, buddy.

It's an imprecise, human sport. We can all freak out about the missed England goal, but is that really the first time you have ever seen a call go like that on a televised game?

Are you for real?

 

[Nicholas]

Pekerman did a rather decent job with Argentina in 2006, plus he is one of the most successful youth coaches ever, he won the youth WC three times.

But your right i should have just said Sacchi, Wenger and Aragones

What does Sacchi know? he is a moron.

 

[Seven]

Time to exhale there, buddy.

It's an imprecise, human sport. We can all freak out about the missed England goal, but is that really the first time you have ever seen a call go like that on a televised game?

Are you for real?

THAT'S YOUR POINT???

FFS.

Italy had this little fascist tournament in the 1930's.

Why not do that again?

Jesus Christ, how people can choose to be this ignorant is beyond me.

 

[Gabriel]

Perhaps what you're missing is that a game in 1930 is not played at the same pace as a game in 2010. And even if it was, FUCK your reasoning. It's not even about questionable calls. The England goal wasn't questionable. It wasn't a ridiculous perspective, it wasn't about multi angle cameras and whatever THE FUCK you want to talk about. No, it was utter bullshit. For someone to come out right now and say that he doesn't want technology to be used to me means as much as someone condoning cheating.

He did said that he would rather have 2 extra refs thrown in and you don't have to be a genius to know that an extra ref would have noticed it right away, as the whole stadium did. ('cept the linesman)

Normally Lampard's goal wouldn't need technology to be acknowledged.

 

[Seven]

He did said that he would rather have 2 extra refs thrown in and you don't have to be a genius to know that an extra ref would have noticed it right away, as the whole stadium did. ('cept the linesman)

Normally Lampard's goal wouldn't need technology to be acknowledged.

So your point is: throw in another linesman who can get it wrong rather than technology that gets it 100% right all the time.

What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

 

[swag]

Obviously there is very much debate about it. How is it possible that offside is not determined by a technological aid? We can see about other things later, but offside and a bal crossing a goal line..

Please.

There can only be one reason technology isn't used if you really think about it. It's a farce.

I think technology is the cause, not the cure, of the fan freak-outs. To expect digital measurements of balls crossing lines to the nearest micron is ridiculous. It's a human sport. Hell, even the lines painted on the pitch aren't entirely precise -- so why act like they were laid down by lasers in a vacuum absent of gravity?

The farce would be like the 10-yard first-down marker in the NFL. You have people going out to measure the ball in the middle of the field against a 10-yard chain, looking to see if there's an extra inch here or there. Nevermind the farce of the whole measurement process of field position and ball location in American football to begin with.

That's just theater. It makes the morons on TV feel better about the judgment process, even if it's based on a joke.

 

[Seven]

I think technology is the cause, not the cure. To expect digital measurements of balls crossing lines to the nearest micron is ridiculous. It's a human sport. Hell, even the lines painted on the pitch aren't entirely precise -- so why act like they were laid down by lasers in a vacuum?

The farce would be like the 10-yard first-down marker in the NFL. You have people going out to measure the ball in the middle of the field against a 10-yard chain, looking to see if there's an extra inch here or there. Nevermind the farce of the whole measurement process of field position and ball location in American football to begin with.

That's just theater.

You can easily make rules about that too. They use it in tennis all the time. Works perfectly.

No. There is only one true reason.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I think what UEFA is doing in the CL and Europa Cup, using fire officials is a fine compromise between those that want goal-line technology and those that want to keep football technology-free.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Add goal line technology and another official or two.

FIFA won't use video replays but this is reasonable.

 

[Seven]

Add goal line technology and another official or two.

FIFA won't use video replays but this is reasonable.

No. We need something for offside too. We can get it right by using technology. Every World Cup the biggest games are decided by horrible offside calls. It cannot go on.

 

[Alen]

So your point is: throw in another linesman who can get it wrong rather than technology that gets it 100% right all the time.

What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Implementing technology regarding offsides can be tricky. When do we decide when to check if it was offside? Say Iniesta makes a pass to Villa. Villa passes back to Xavi, Xavi to Ramos, he crosses and Torres scores. Can the opposition ask for technology in this case to help see if Villa was offside when Iniesta passed to him?

Can the opposition ask for video check for every single pass?

Or is it only the guy who watches the replays who tells the referee (after the action is finished and he checks the replays) if the goal should stand or it should be disallowed?

And if a goal isn't scored, but Villa was offside when Iniesta passed to him....what do we do about it? We wait for the action to finish to see if it was offside?

 

[Gabriel]

So your point is: throw in another linesman who can get it wrong rather than technology that gets it 100% right all the time.

What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

I'm not saying he would get every call correct but a call as blatant as that goal was he would.

The thing about using technology in offsides (i agree about the goal one though) is that every single time there's an offside call (or not) but the players feel there was, the game is gonna be suspended for a little and even if at first it doesn't matter, then there's gonna be people asking for technology on free kicks, fouls, corners on every little thing you can imagine, hence the game will lose it's dynamic and will be like american football.

 

[Seven]

Implementing technology regarding offsides can be tricky. When do we decide when to check if it was offside? Say Iniesta makes a pass to Villa. Villa passes back to Xavi, Xavi to Ramos, he crosses and Torres scores. Can the opposition ask for technology in this case to help see if Villa was offside when Iniesta passed to him?

Can the opposition ask for video check for every single pass?

Or is it only the guy who watches the replays who tells the referee (after the action is finished and he checks the replays) if the goal should stand or it should be disallowed?

And if a goal isn't scored, but Villa was offside when Iniesta passed to him....what do we do about it? We wait for the action to finish to see if it was offside?

There are various systems, most don't use a video check. All of them are better than we have now. What we have now is complete and utter randomness. Sometimes the guy waves his flag, sometimes he doesn't.

I don't think teams should have anything to do with it though. If you would use video replays, use a video ref. If he gets it wrong, you kill him. No more fucking bullshit.

 

[swag]

Andries, just start your own rival to FIFA. I'm happy without all that sideshow catering to corporate marketing zombies on TV to pervert the sport, thank you very much.

Nobody is making you watch. If you don't like it, turn off and find something else to do with your free time.

 

[Seven]

I'm not saying he would get every call correct but a call as blatant as that goal was he would.

The thing about using technology in offsides (i agree about the goal one though) is that every single time there's an offside call (or not) but the players feel there was, the game is gonna be suspended for a little and even if at first it doesn't matter, then there's gonna be people asking for technology on free kicks, fouls, corners on every little thing you can imagine, hence the game will lose it's dynamic and will be like american football.

There are several systems in which you would still have a free flowing game. But even if it would lose all dynamic, it would be better.

 

[Seven]

Andries, just start your own rival to FIFA. I'm happy without all that sideshow catering to corporate marketing zombies on TV to pervert the sport, thank you very much.

Nobody is making you watch. If you don't like it, turn off and find something else to do with your free time.

I won't watch 2012 without technology, that much is certain. It annoys me that people believe this is all without a certain purpose.

 

[Seven]

You explain to me why they use such a bad ball, Greg.