[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (51 Viewers)

[Martin]

I don't count the Euro's. Thats a laughable tournament, in every Euro's there is at least one shit team in the Semi's. I mean Russia made the semi's last time, come on, Russia.

relevant to what, pray tell?

Europeans have money, good facilities, a lot of immigrants and decades and decades to build their leagues, National teams etc.

what does that have to do with anything?

 

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[Alen]

Ronaldinho

Not Maradona

Rivaldo too

These are answers to my question?

Ronaldinho is wrong.

 

[bianconero]

Perhaps Romario

 

[Fred]

relevant to what, pray tell?



what does that have to do with anything?

Explains why European teams barring the big ones have a richer history in football.

 

[bianconero]

Neeskens and Cruff losing finalists.

 

[Martin]

Explains why European teams barring the big ones have a richer history in football.

okay so let's ignore that because "it's not fair", right?. I bet you would have said the same thing about Uruguay before this very world cup. they haven't had a good team for decades and now all of a sudden they're the semis

 

[Alen]

Perhaps Romario

Nice

Rivaldo and Romario are the only ones. Only two players were owned by Barca when they won the world cup. Here is the full list (Bigger European teams of today in bold):

1. Juventus (ITA) 24
2. Inter (ITA) 19
3. Bayern Munich (GER) 16
4. Santos (BRA) 15
5. Roma (ITA) 15
6. Penarol (URU) 14
7. Nacional (URU) 13
8. Sao Paolo (BRA) 12
9. Botafogo (BRA) 11
10. Milan (ITA) 9
11. Koln (GER) 9
12. Palmeiras (BRA) 9
13. Corinthians (BRA) 8
14. River Plate (ARG) 8
15. Fiorentina (ITA) 8
16. Fluminense (BRA) 7
17. Flamengo (BRA) 7
18. Independiente (ARG) 7
19. Cruzeiro (BRA) 5
20. M'gladbach (GER) 5
21. Kaiserslautern (GER) 5
22. Bologna (ITA) 5
23. Vasco de Gama (BRA) 4
24. West Ham United (ENG) 4
25. Eintracht Frankfurt (GER) 4
26. Lazio (ITA) 4
27. Palermo (ITA) 4
28. Atletico Montevideo (URU) 3
29. Bella Vista (URU) 3
30. Portuguesa (BRA) 3
31. Gremio (BRA) 3
32. Borussia Dortmund (GER) 3
33. Werder Bremen (GER) 3
34. Real Madrid (ESP) 3
35. Schalke 04 (GER) 3
36. Huracan (ARG) 3
37. Talleres de Cordoba (ARG) 3
38. Triestina (ITA) 3
39. Auxerre (FRA) 3
40. Monaco (FRA) 3
41. Manchester United (ENG) 3
42. Liverpool (ENG) 3
43. Arsenal (ENG) 3
44. Danubio (URU) 2
45. Rampla Juniors (URU) 2
46. Central (URU) 2
47. Montevideo Wanderers (URU) 2
48. Bangu (BRA) 2
49. Atletico Mineiro (BRA) 2
50. Deportivo La Coruna (ESP) 2
51. Nurnberg (GER) 2
52. Stuttgart (GER) 2
53. Fortuna Dusseldorf (GER) 2
54. Newell's Old Boys (ARG) 2
55. Racing Club (ARG) 2
56. San Lorenzo (ARG) 2
57. Argentinos Juniors (ARG) 2
58. Furth (GER) 2
59. Hamburger (GER) 2
60. Boca Juniors (ARG) 2
61. Genoa (ITA) 2
62. Napoli (ITA) 2
63. Udinese (ITA) 2
64. Marseille (FRA) 2
65. Leeds United (ENG) 2
66. Chelsea (ENG) 2
67. Barcelona (ESP) 2
68. Miramar (URU) 1
69. Racing Club (URU) 1
70. Olimpia (URU) 1
71. Shimizu (JPN) 1
72. Kashima Antlers (JPN) 1
73. Metz (FRA) 1
74. Livorno (ITA) 1
75. Reggiana (ITA) 1
76. Parma (ITA) 1
77. Sampdoria (ITA) 1
78. Torino (ITA) 1
79. Cagliari (ITA) 1
80. Lecce (ITA) 1
81. Pisa (ITA) 1
82. Lucchese (ITA) 1
83. Atletico Nacional (COL) 1
84. America (MEX) 1
85. Ferro Carril Oeste (ARG) 1
86. Estudiantes la Plata (ARG) 1
87. Velez Sarsfield (ARG) 1
88. Paris Saint Germain (FRA) 1
89. Bordeaux (FRA) 1
90. Elche (ESP) 1
91. Valencia (ESP) 1
92. Nantes (FRA) 1
93. Bayer Leverkusen (GER) 1
94. Atletico Paranaense (BRA) 1
95. Hessen Kassel (GER) 1
96. Essen (GER) 1
97. FSV Frankfurt (GER) 1
98. Augsburg (GER) 1
99. Pirmasens (GER) 1
100. Southampton (ENG) 1
101. Wolverhampton (ENG) 1
102. Blackpool (ENG) 1
103. Sheffield Wednesday (ENG) 1
104. Tottenham (ENG) 1
105. Blackburn (ENG) 1
106. Everton (ENG) 1
107. Fulham (ENG) 1
108. Leicester (ENG) 1
109. Betis (ESP) 1

 

[Dostoevsky]

Perhaps Romario

Deja vu.

 

[bianconero]

Kubala also lost a final

 

[bianconero]

71. Shimizu (JPN) 1
72. Kashima Antlers (JPN) 1

When did they win?

 

[Martin]

Nice

Rivaldo and Romario are the only ones. Only two players were owned by Barca when they won the world cup. Here is the full list (Bigger European teams of today in bold):

so playing for Barcelona is a guarantee to not win the world cup? they bought Zlatan and Sweden didn't even qualify..

 

[Alen]

71. Shimizu (JPN) 1
72. Kashima Antlers (JPN) 1

When did they win?

Brazil in 1994.
Leonardo (Milan' coach) played for Kashima at the time while some Ronaldao in the same squad played for Shimizu.

 

[bianconero]

Brazil in 1994.
Leonardo (Milan' coach) played for Kashima at the time while some Ronaldao in the same squad played for Shimizu.

Amazing.

Cheers

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The latter.

Now who's done it from the teams out of Europe and South America?

I believe Germany from Europe and Brazil from SA have been the only teams to do that consistently.

 

[Fred]

okay so let's ignore that because "it's not fair", right?. I bet you would have said the same thing about Uruguay before this very world cup. they haven't had a good team for decades and now all of a sudden they're the semis

I wasn't really being serious. Come on, fluke team, dull to watch, all the examples i was bringing were about Croatia. I was obviously winding Alen up

 

[Alen]

so playing for Barcelona is a guarantee to not win the world cup? they bought Zlatan and Sweden didn't even qualify..

Triestina "won" it more than Barca
3 Triestina players vs 2 Barca players

But if Spain win this WC then Barca will move high on the table and equal Milan's 9 WC winners.

 

[Martin]

Triestina "won" it more than Barca
3 Triestina players vs 2 Barca players

But if Spain win this WC then Barca will move high on the table and equal Milan's 9 WC winners.

we must ensure it does not happen

 

[bianconero]

I don't agree that the latter is better. Also, its like i said, you guys have the advantage of time, most of the other teams are either new to football, or have poor football federations, poor leagues, no money, no facilities etc.

Look at the African players who grow up in Europe and use European facilities and benefit from all the spoiling European players get. Look at Zidane, Desailly, Eto'o, Drogba, Weah etc. They are all better than any Croatian, Swedish or Bulgarian player out there.
.

Are they better than:
Davor Šuker
Hristo Stoichkov
Henrik Larsson

 

[Salvatore]

Juventus
Buffon
Zambrotta
Cannavaro
Camoranesi
Del Piero
Zoff
Scirea
Gentile
Cabrini
Tardelli
Rossi
Bertolini
Borel
Cagliaris
Combi
Ferrari
Monti
Orsi
Rosetta
Varglien
Foni
Rava
Deschamps
Zidane

 

[bianconero]

Triestina "won" it more than Barca
3 Triestina players vs 2 Barca players

But if Spain win this WC then Barca will move high on the table and equal Milan's 9 WC winners.

Madrid will mow up too.

Hell, Arsenal will join the list.