Alen is a fake fan too; he's supporting the French, and he's Croatian. Shouldn't you be hating on the immigrant French team that eliminated your Croats back in 98? 
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My younger brother was born and brought up in the UAE. While I know many people who feel connected to the country, my brother hardly felt Arab. He might have only visited India a few times during vacations, but he always felt Indian. Now he's back here for studies and he's settled right in. Mostly I think its to do with how you are brought up at home. If your parents make you believe you are from Italy even though you live in Australia, when you grow up you believe you are Italian more than Australian. Even though its easy to generalize, its not always correct. Depends from country to country, person to person.
And not to be misunderstood that I'm denying someone's right to feel however he wishes to feel and that I'm blaming the Italians outside Italy that they aren't faithful to the countries where they were born and raised, I will mention the case with the Croats in Australia.
Most of them come from my part of Croatia so I guess I meet them more frequently than you do, but you probably met those guys too.
Many of them don't speak our language, some don't even understand it. But they feel Croats and support Croatia instead of Australia. And it's flattering. It's good that they preserve that identity, but I am shocked when I see how many of them don't give a damn about Australia. Come on, you were born there, you live there, many times in much better conditions that you would if you're in Croatia. That country is giving so much to you and yet you don't give a damn about that country.
Most of them come from my part of Croatia so I guess I meet them more frequently than you do, but you probably met those guys too.
Many of them don't speak our language, some don't even understand it. But they feel Croats and support Croatia instead of Australia. And it's flattering. It's good that they preserve that identity, but I am shocked when I see how many of them don't give a damn about Australia. Come on, you were born there, you live there, many times in much better conditions that you would if you're in Croatia. That country is giving so much to you and yet you don't give a damn about that country.
First time I hear of such a scenario. It goes against my earlier statement, as if the parents were raising them in a certain way, first thing they would do is the language, no?
I don't know much of our folks from Australia though, but from what I've heard, there's a huge segregation in Australia. My ex's father has a brother who lives there and says, Croats stick to Croats, Serbs stick to Serbs and all they have in common is the fact they're looked down on by Australians...which would explain their not giving a damn about Australia. It sucks I guess, but that's why home is home.
I don't know much of our folks from Australia though, but from what I've heard, there's a huge segregation in Australia. My ex's father has a brother who lives there and says, Croats stick to Croats, Serbs stick to Serbs and all they have in common is the fact they're looked down on by Australians...which would explain their not giving a damn about Australia. It sucks I guess, but that's why home is home.
But he doesn't mention that there was no robery in his post. He said that the Italians didn't do well enough to qualify and he was sceptical on to whether they were treated fairly or not.
What side is he on? I support my home country Lebanon and he supports his home country USA, that's not the same side.
What side is he on? I support my home country Lebanon and he supports his home country USA, that's not the same side.
Um, quite simplistic view of football, so the team that 'wins' the game is the better team, even if it is penalties? Italy must have been fantastic in 2006 then 
And Italy were fantastically efficient in 2006.
How can one not know language, and yet still perserve his national identity?
Isn't language one of key elements that constitute one's national identity, if not the most crucial element that determines one's identity?
I kinda understand what you are saying, they may feel Croats, but this only means they possess 'animus' component that forms one's national identity.
Not knowing language means they're missing one of the key 'corpus' components (along with ethnicity, common history, culture) that forms one's national identity.
I'm not arguing their right to feel Croats and support Croatia, i'm simply saying one can hardly keep his identity if he doesn't speak the language (one of the key components).
Isn't language one of key elements that constitute one's national identity, if not the most crucial element that determines one's identity?
I kinda understand what you are saying, they may feel Croats, but this only means they possess 'animus' component that forms one's national identity.
Not knowing language means they're missing one of the key 'corpus' components (along with ethnicity, common history, culture) that forms one's national identity.
I'm not arguing their right to feel Croats and support Croatia, i'm simply saying one can hardly keep his identity if he doesn't speak the language (one of the key components).
He hinted that there was no robbery. But he just can't say it because he knows and he's aware of what happened in that match.
How many times has Andy cried over the US matches being unfairly treated or having a terrible referee on the pitch? Too many times.
He hates the Italian NT so much that he can't admit that the Italy vs Korea match was a robbery right on the face. Which makes him anything but neutral fan.
Hundreds of teams per year don't do well to qualify yet they qualify, that's not the point. The point is that Italy got robbed and Andy isn't admitting because he hates the Italian NT.
Nothing wrong with it but it would make it lot of easier for all of us if he says that he's biased and not neutral.
How many times has Andy cried over the US matches being unfairly treated or having a terrible referee on the pitch? Too many times.
He hates the Italian NT so much that he can't admit that the Italy vs Korea match was a robbery right on the face. Which makes him anything but neutral fan.
Hundreds of teams per year don't do well to qualify yet they qualify, that's not the point. The point is that Italy got robbed and Andy isn't admitting because he hates the Italian NT.
Nothing wrong with it but it would make it lot of easier for all of us if he says that he's biased and not neutral.
Guys like Salvo are not the problem. The annoyances are guys like Rab, who are Lebanese, earn their bread in Romania and support Azzurri. Not to mention guys like Tahir who is born in Kenya, lived in Sweden, got his diploma in USA and supports Portugal.
