It was a soft call but it was a legit penalty,Andy.
That doesn't make the decision right.
That doesn't make the decision right.
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I don't want to start an argument over it because no excuses could save Azzurri from today' humiliation but It wasn't even on the poor calls. Fallon elbowed Chiellini and Zambrotta and he should have been sent off in the first 20 minutes of the game. NZ' goal was offside too. The NZ' defender pulled De Rossi' shirt. It's a penalty kick based on every rule. Only because refs don't tend to give these calls doesn't mean it wasn't a correct decision by the ref.
Pathetic Hoori, pathetic.
These are the reasons why Azzurri fans can't be taken seriously. It's like you're operated from objectivity when it's about the Azzurri.
Again you're looking for red cards, robberies and trying to justify a blatant dive.
When De Rossi threw himself on the ground, the NZ player didn't hold his shirt at all. The shirt holding took place earlier and it happens for every fucking corner kick. There should be as many penalties as there are corner kicks if this was a penalty over De Rossi.
These are the reasons why Azzurri fans can't be taken seriously. It's like you're operated from objectivity when it's about the Azzurri.
Again you're looking for red cards, robberies and trying to justify a blatant dive.
When De Rossi threw himself on the ground, the NZ player didn't hold his shirt at all. The shirt holding took place earlier and it happens for every fucking corner kick. There should be as many penalties as there are corner kicks if this was a penalty over De Rossi.
And FIFA? They can't stand him (Although, he does talk crap all the time about them, so I can understand them 
) and it will be sooooooo cool Diego to be the hero of the main competition FIFA is organizing.
) and it will be sooooooo cool Diego to be the hero of the main competition FIFA is organizing.
.As for Italy: I think that all Italy fans need to consider that four years ago it mattered more than it does now. Four years ago it was very likely that it was going to be the last World Cup for the likes of Del Piero, Totti, Nesta and Cannavaro (it should have been his last). There was quality all over and a victory back then was a victory for Italian football. They perfected the way Italian football is played.
It is not like that today. Gone is Del Piero, gone is Totti. There are no big Italian names right now, there are no representatives of calcio. I wanted Italy to win four years ago, because they had Italian stars. What I don't want is a mediocre side winning the World Cup. The Italians will probably have a tough time taking abuse from all over the planet, but they're used to it and they'll bounce back in four or eight years time.
It is time to let go.
I don't want to justify anything. Italy didn't deserve to win this game. They must create enough opportunities to not be relied so much on the ref' calls. It was NZ after all. But I can't help stating that NZ goal was offside and that Fallon must have been sent off. I'm talking the obvious, not looking for excuses at all. I didn't even mention it as a reason why Italy couldn't win this game. It was just an argument over whether it was even on the poor calls, which wasn't, at all.
De Rossi' penalty kick was a soft one, De Rossi DID go to win a penalty kick but you can be sure that the ref won't be criticized for giving that penalty kick because a foul committed there. It was a legal call, not a good one I concur.
De Rossi' penalty kick was a soft one, De Rossi DID go to win a penalty kick but you can be sure that the ref won't be criticized for giving that penalty kick because a foul committed there. It was a legal call, not a good one I concur.
It's not a legal call. He wasn't pushed, he didn't fall because his shirt was pulled. He simply threw himself on the ground. That's a dive and an automatic yellow card. A dive is a yellow card.
The ref and the linesman made two mistakes that resulted with two goals. There wasn't a red card offense.
Seriously, I will stop, but be honest with me and tell me if NZ got such a penalty, what would you have said. Honestly, please.
The ref and the linesman made two mistakes that resulted with two goals. There wasn't a red card offense.
Seriously, I will stop, but be honest with me and tell me if NZ got such a penalty, what would you have said. Honestly, please.
I would have said the same thing. The guy asked for a penalty kick but the blame is all on the defender who pulled his shirt. I remember Collina calling for penalty kicks for every shirt pulling in the penalty area and he was considered a very good ref back in the day. When he was officiating a game, defenders were too careful not to commit stupid fouls on corner kicks/free kicks.
When a player falls while there has been no contact at all, that's called a dive and that's the only thing which has to be punished with a yellow. It wasn't a dive, it was De Rossi going to take the advantage of the defender's foul in the best way possible. France' penalty kick against Portugal is another example. There was contact but then it was up to Henry whether to fall or not. He could have still stood on his feet but why not taking advantage of a soft foul when it is actually committed?
When a player falls while there has been no contact at all, that's called a dive and that's the only thing which has to be punished with a yellow. It wasn't a dive, it was De Rossi going to take the advantage of the defender's foul in the best way possible. France' penalty kick against Portugal is another example. There was contact but then it was up to Henry whether to fall or not. He could have still stood on his feet but why not taking advantage of a soft foul when it is actually committed?
The problem here is that the rules clearly state that it's a foul. However we generally accept these things and a penalty is almost never given. Whether or not De Rossi dove should be irrelevant, but it is obviously the reason why the ref gave the penalty. Again, also because if you don't dive, you're never going to get it, even though it might be a foul.
IMO De Rossi dove and won Italy the penalty kick. So with the general practice of not handing out penalties for similar offences I will say it was very soft and probably wrong.
IMO De Rossi dove and won Italy the penalty kick. So with the general practice of not handing out penalties for similar offences I will say it was very soft and probably wrong.
The Curse of the Irish, yo.
All refs have been given a dress-down by FIFA officials lately for not calling shirt tugging in the box. As harsh as that call may seem, the refs are being given instructions to set the bar a little higher against shirt pulls in the box.
Clearly, the ref did not call it for a push.
And I'm pretty much a neutral here when it comes to the Azzurri fanboys and their detractors, but a yellow card on De Rossi's fall would have been more ridiculous than the penalty call.
I think the shirt pull was a light offense, but it's clear the refs are being asked to send the message and that he did on the call.
All refs have been given a dress-down by FIFA officials lately for not calling shirt tugging in the box. As harsh as that call may seem, the refs are being given instructions to set the bar a little higher against shirt pulls in the box.
Clearly, the ref did not call it for a push.
And I'm pretty much a neutral here when it comes to the Azzurri fanboys and their detractors, but a yellow card on De Rossi's fall would have been more ridiculous than the penalty call.
I think the shirt pull was a light offense, but it's clear the refs are being asked to send the message and that he did on the call.