[WC] Italia vs Australia [26-06-2006] (3 Viewers)
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Well my 50 cents:
Im with Seven and the other guys who say that Materazzi´s red card was harsh. Tom, u say it was deserving but in my eyes not a red card, as materazzi was not the last man and he wasnt even with his stuts up.Yes it was a tough blow in a compromising play and I would accept a yellow but that red card simply came out of nowhere. Like someone said, it was all because of Matrix reputation.
And for the one who said that Matrix deserve this card as much as Mastroeni, sorry dud but that is complete bull, as u can see in Mastroenis replay that he practically pierce the guy´s ankle with HIS STUTS UP and coming from the front. If u say that this kind of foul doesnt deserve a direct red, then i really dont know what does.
Now on the game. The italians had the most of the chances before the red, they were not dominating but australia was simply doing his game and weaiting for the moment. The red simply fucked Italy´s game, as Del piero needed to pla as a midfielder and even defend, whcih is clearly not his best. His exclution for Totti was what needed to be done.
Gila for Barzagli was another forced change , so kudos to Lippi. INtroducing another striker in this change would have been a death sentence to Italy.
The Iaquinta inclution was IMO a Lippi´s mistake, cuz Iaquinta is clearly not in his best form and INzaghi was again much better for this kind of game, as he likes to run like madman a lot and we needed lungs here.
I personally dont like Toni-Gila partnership and in the next game i would prefer a lone striker with Totti and DP in the eleven.
What is unquestionable is that Italy´s defense was exceptionally good,,,and above all the captain Cannavaro and Zambrotta shine like stars! . This 2 guys are above class and were by far the best on the match. Buffon was behind them, and even when he didnt had a tough day, his mere prsence and the confidence he gives to the team is priceless.
Totti, the guy played maybe the best of his last matches. Since the first moment he was introduced,,,his passes were what the team needed as Italy was simply kicking the ball to Australia´s keeper. He did a wonderfull pass without even looking at his partner near the enemy area... and his good pass to Grosso in the last seconds was very good.
Now the Penalty.
First of all, we have to accecpt that this play done by grosso was exceptionally good and all the credit goes to him and his good moves.
As i had the game recorded,,i saw this play in all the angles one after another and my conclution is that it was not a penalty... but an indirect freekick...because Grosso PAST the defender.... but his body clearly interrups Grosso´s action,, and no one cant argue this. Grosso dived? i dont think so, if he looked for the defender to get hitted? i think yes,,, but we cant blame him for taking advantage of teh circumstance, as he was in fact bothered in the play.
My theory about why the refree called a penalty has 2 points.
1- Like Gatusso said, this penalty was to "balance" the red card incident and im very sure that this penalty would have never existed if the red card wasnt given to Matrix
2-For the guys who recorded the game.... take a look carefully in one of the angles of the move, the one that is coming from the referee´s sight point. If was very difficult to not have called it as a Penalty because from that point of view, it cleary seems that Grosso is being hitted by the defender........ but in the angles that come behind grosso and the one that shows the aussie defender´s back...it is cleary an obstruction and not a foul.
This kind of things ahppen in a very fast tempo and a weird call can be ecpected because everyone can make a mistake.
But overall,, ill not argue with anyone about the overallñl refeering performances...as it have been disgracefull the hwole tournament.
In the end both teams did what they could and maybe the best went thru,as we never know what could have happened if Italy stayed with 11 players and Totti playing very good.
Im with Seven and the other guys who say that Materazzi´s red card was harsh. Tom, u say it was deserving but in my eyes not a red card, as materazzi was not the last man and he wasnt even with his stuts up.Yes it was a tough blow in a compromising play and I would accept a yellow but that red card simply came out of nowhere. Like someone said, it was all because of Matrix reputation.
And for the one who said that Matrix deserve this card as much as Mastroeni, sorry dud but that is complete bull, as u can see in Mastroenis replay that he practically pierce the guy´s ankle with HIS STUTS UP and coming from the front. If u say that this kind of foul doesnt deserve a direct red, then i really dont know what does.
Now on the game. The italians had the most of the chances before the red, they were not dominating but australia was simply doing his game and weaiting for the moment. The red simply fucked Italy´s game, as Del piero needed to pla as a midfielder and even defend, whcih is clearly not his best. His exclution for Totti was what needed to be done.
Gila for Barzagli was another forced change , so kudos to Lippi. INtroducing another striker in this change would have been a death sentence to Italy.
The Iaquinta inclution was IMO a Lippi´s mistake, cuz Iaquinta is clearly not in his best form and INzaghi was again much better for this kind of game, as he likes to run like madman a lot and we needed lungs here.
I personally dont like Toni-Gila partnership and in the next game i would prefer a lone striker with Totti and DP in the eleven.
What is unquestionable is that Italy´s defense was exceptionally good,,,and above all the captain Cannavaro and Zambrotta shine like stars! . This 2 guys are above class and were by far the best on the match. Buffon was behind them, and even when he didnt had a tough day, his mere prsence and the confidence he gives to the team is priceless.
Totti, the guy played maybe the best of his last matches. Since the first moment he was introduced,,,his passes were what the team needed as Italy was simply kicking the ball to Australia´s keeper. He did a wonderfull pass without even looking at his partner near the enemy area... and his good pass to Grosso in the last seconds was very good.
Now the Penalty.
First of all, we have to accecpt that this play done by grosso was exceptionally good and all the credit goes to him and his good moves.
As i had the game recorded,,i saw this play in all the angles one after another and my conclution is that it was not a penalty... but an indirect freekick...because Grosso PAST the defender.... but his body clearly interrups Grosso´s action,, and no one cant argue this. Grosso dived? i dont think so, if he looked for the defender to get hitted? i think yes,,, but we cant blame him for taking advantage of teh circumstance, as he was in fact bothered in the play.
My theory about why the refree called a penalty has 2 points.
1- Like Gatusso said, this penalty was to "balance" the red card incident and im very sure that this penalty would have never existed if the red card wasnt given to Matrix
2-For the guys who recorded the game.... take a look carefully in one of the angles of the move, the one that is coming from the referee´s sight point. If was very difficult to not have called it as a Penalty because from that point of view, it cleary seems that Grosso is being hitted by the defender........ but in the angles that come behind grosso and the one that shows the aussie defender´s back...it is cleary an obstruction and not a foul.
This kind of things ahppen in a very fast tempo and a weird call can be ecpected because everyone can make a mistake.
But overall,, ill not argue with anyone about the overallñl refeering performances...as it have been disgracefull the hwole tournament.
In the end both teams did what they could and maybe the best went thru,as we never know what could have happened if Italy stayed with 11 players and Totti playing very good.
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If you honestly believe that a penalty in the 94th is not giving away the game more than a second half red card, then I would rethink who is the fucking idiot.
Funny how when the calls were against italy, it was all "rigged" in 2002. Not now though, is it??
It was obstruction, yes. Is obstruction a penalty? No.
Do teams often win when 1 man up? Yes, but often they do not.
Do teams often win off 94th minute penalties? Yes. 99% of the time.
There is your answer.
You sexually active genius.
umpkin:
Sir Sebastian said:
If you honestly believe that a penalty in the 94th is not giving away the game more than a second half red card, then I would rethink who is the fucking idiot.
Funny how when the calls were against italy, it was all "rigged" in 2002. Not now though, is it??
It was obstruction, yes. Is obstruction a penalty? No.
Do teams often win when 1 man up? Yes, but often they do not.
Do teams often win off 94th minute penalties? Yes. 99% of the time.
There is your answer.
You sexually active genius.umpkin:
Funny how when the calls were against italy, it was all "rigged" in 2002. Not now though, is it??
It was obstruction, yes. Is obstruction a penalty? No.
Do teams often win when 1 man up? Yes, but often they do not.
Do teams often win off 94th minute penalties? Yes. 99% of the time.
There is your answer.
You sexually active genius.
umpkin:
It was all rigged in 2002 and I have numerous decisions on which I base that claim. Lots more than ONE, you know. And besides, Italy had a man sent off which was very harsh as well. If this was fixed, the ref would have done an awful job.
It was indirect, and that is also dangerous. However, it's no where close to as dangerous as a fucking PK. (Oh, and by the way, although they would never apply this, according to the rules, the referee would not be obligated to extend the game beyong the additional 3 minutes for an indirect kick. The only instant in which the game can be extended indefinitely is a penalty kick)
You guys got fucked in 2002, you have my sympathies, but why should Australia suffer in your place?
The refs have been consistently poor, so that's expected.
But i am a fucking idiot, so what do I know. You know, it's not like I've ever played or been exposed to football before.umpkin:
You guys got fucked in 2002, you have my sympathies, but why should Australia suffer in your place?
The refs have been consistently poor, so that's expected.
But i am a fucking idiot, so what do I know. You know, it's not like I've ever played or been exposed to football before.
umpkin: