WATCHING CHELSEA GAVE ME AN IDEA... (2 Viewers)

#10

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Jul 28, 2002
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#61
Who are we? Real? Brazil?

Rambo in a strictly defensive position?

Not in my book.

In the entire world id say juve is likely to be the last team to play that formation.

No offence, id love juve to play with all that flair...but we would leek goals lef right and centre, and success is built on a sound defence...unless they are brazilian.
 

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Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
16,644
#62
i think ibra should get somekind of AM position...because he can tribel well but his finishing is not good so he would pass the ball to trez....hm...that gave me a new idea

--------------------buffon-------------------
------thuram---canna--zambrotta-------
--------------Vieira---emerson-----------------
-------camo-----Nedved----------Ibra-----------------
------------Mutu------Trezeguet-------------------



Actually...where exactly ronaldinho plays in the usual lineup of barca?

Although i think somewhere left ibra should be....because even now he usually is on the left side...seem to suit him better...


Hm, now when i think about the idea puting ibra to midfield, i really start to think that would be the perfect idea...he makes good assist, passes.....the only thing though...he needs to be unselfish then....
Because with that kind of formation he has to pass ball often, but i see him running with the ball all the way to the goal.....sometimes it might work but not always.....
 

#10

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2002
7,377
#63
Stephan said:
i think ibra should get somekind of AM position...because he can tribel well but his finishing is not good so he would pass the ball to trez....hm...that gave me a new idea

--------------------buffon-------------------
------thuram---canna--zambrotta-------
--------------Vieira---emerson-----------------
-------camo-----Nedved----------Ibra-----------------
------------Mutu------Trezeguet-------------------



Actually...where exactly ronaldinho plays in the usual lineup of barca?

Although i think somewhere left ibra should be....because even now he usually is on the left side...seem to suit him better...


Hm, now when i think about the idea puting ibra to midfield, i really start to think that would be the perfect idea...he makes good assist, passes.....the only thing though...he needs to be unselfish then....
Because with that kind of formation he has to pass ball often, but i see him running with the ball all the way to the goal.....sometimes it might work but not always.....

Change it to 4 at the back and loose a striker and it would work.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,644
#64
--------------------buffon-------------------
----kovac---thuram---canna--zambrotta-------
--------------Vieira---emerson-----------------
-------camo-----Nedved----------Ibra-----------------
----------------Trezeguet-------------------
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
#65
#10 said:
Who are we? Real? Brazil?

Rambo in a strictly defensive position?

Not in my book.

In the entire world id say juve is likely to be the last team to play that formation.

No offence, id love juve to play with all that flair...but we would leek goals lef right and centre, and success is built on a sound defence...unless they are brazilian.
Jhon, I dont think we should waste the money we spend on Vieira...Having Vieira-Emerson in my formation would mean that these shouldn't move or even try to attack, So staying in their places would be a nightmare to any player..yes anyone.

we've already tried Zambo in lot of places right, left many things, why can't we believe that Zambo could also work in a 3man defence...he's fast, can jump, has the needed body, everything....The only one that can worry me is Thuram..other than that, I would give a shot without hesitating.

Anyhow welcome back, It's been some time since you didn't come.:)
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,644
#66
Azzurri7 said:
----------------------Buffon--------------------
-----Thuram--------Canna---------Zambrotta---
--------------Vieira-----Emerson-----------------
----Camo-----------------------------Zlatan
----------------------Nedved--------------
---------------------------------Del Piero
------------------Trezeguet

-I actually liked denco's way....and I wouldn't mind putting Zlatan there, knowing that Emerson is behind him incase Zlatan insisted on attacking and remainin inside...So Zlatan's teq would push me to put him right there. There's nothing to loose If we try (Tho I know Cap wont bother.)
and another thing is that I prefer Nedved taking that role rather than anyone thats because he's little aged now and wont be running back like he used too...he got two powerful legs to use them in that position, not to forget his classy passes.

-Del Piero's position suit him, as we know he's inlove with that role, he likes to be 2nd striker so playing him right or left wont do nothing neither help the team. not to forget that he's scoring lately.

-I would have replaced Thuram with Kovac, but his Injury will keep him about 50days out.
I think zlatan position in your lineup means he cant come to forward as often as for example now, or my formations....and think if he keeps still coming...yes he has his tribelmagic, but its a long way to come, also, vieira is that type of player who usually comes to forward when we counter for example, also corners, so its also a long way..(i saw when he played with arsenal) you know he makes sometimes tacklemistakes....him so far would also mean he has to defend(imo his better coming forward) and so he might cost as some bad mistakes, freekicks to opponents...

i also dont think zlatan should be more back then nedved, because imo zlatan by his mentally is a attacking player....nedved can play also a little bit defensively...

what i want to say, is zlatan in that position in your lineup should be more defensive zlatan....because with that lineup, we would have actually 4 forwards....nedved in that position would be AM...

Left flank would be left only for zambro to cover(because ibra keeps going forward), in that position should be someone whos not attacking player IMO

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Waiting for your angry reply:p
 

- vOnAm -

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Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#72
Contrary to popular belief I don't think Zlatan in midfield will be as effective as gudjhonson. The reason that Gudjhonson does so well is because his natural style of play is energetic. Even when he played as a forward you can see he was all over the place. And when he recieves the ball he plays with it with energy. Thats why he can play midfield because you can rely on him for some defensive duties as well.

Zlatan on the other hand plays with more technique, with the little tricks and dribbles while maintaining the position of his body and he doesn't like to run a lot without the ball(not saying that he can't). Making him have defensive duties will not work well. As we all know how important Defense is to our side. But I will say that Zlatan as central offensive midfielder might work, although I can only imagine that the system will be much like a tridente. And Zlatan's mentality and vision will need some work but a Zidane type of role might be suitable.

So to conclude I'm happy about Zlatan's current position and form. Chelsea IMO is actually emulating Juve's style of play. We use to play with a solid defense and fast wingers. Thats what they are doing now, solid defense and attacks from the wings who act like a tridente with Drogba. If we want to learn something its that we need a winger on the team as an option. Its really the one role we don't have except for Zambrotta who is relegated to the backs.

Camo is no winger, and Olivera plays more towards the inside like Camo. Neddy is also no winger and he has lost quite a bit of his frantic pace which he relied on. Of late I've seen Mutu trying to be played as a winger but you can see that his style is the second striker position.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,644
#74
Temimi said:
i loved what he did against real madrid last season he was great in nedved's place realy great

did he play nedved position? wasnt he up front with dp and later with trezeguet.

btw, who zalayeta replaced.....dont remember anymore....
 

V

Senior Member
Jun 8, 2005
20,110
#75
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- vOnAm - said:
Contrary to popular belief I don't think Zlatan in midfield will be as effective as gudjhonson. The reason that Gudjhonson does so well is because his natural style of play is energetic. Even when he played as a forward you can see he was all over the place. And when he recieves the ball he plays with it with energy. Thats why he can play midfield because you can rely on him for some defensive duties as well.

Zlatan on the other hand plays with more technique, with the little tricks and dribbles while maintaining the position of his body and he doesn't like to run a lot without the ball(not saying that he can't). Making him have defensive duties will not work well. As we all know how important Defense is to our side. But I will say that Zlatan as central offensive midfielder might work, although I can only imagine that the system will be much like a tridente. And Zlatan's mentality and vision will need some work but a Zidane type of role might be suitable.
THANK YOU!!
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
16,706
#76
Azzurri7 said:
I dont understand why do we have to play Chiellini in order to put Zambrotta on the right..It's pretty obvious that Zambo aint happy there, I prefer moving him back to the left and let the guy play his football.
Quite ironic; Zambrotta will be able to do everything but 'play his football' when you field him as centre back, like you want to do.
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
#77
Well this thread is surely interesting, with many members debating on denco's view about Chelsea of putting Gudjohnson as an attacking midfielder. Actually IMO this is a very innovative idea as Zlatan's technique will help us, however 1 liability aobut Zlatan is that he tends to lose the ball at times, which is very frustrating at dire situations. But I will put Zlatan behind the 2 strikers only when he learns how NOT to lose the ball.

If Zambro has to be put on the right, then Camo must move to a bit to the centre as Zambro can run up and down, unlike the 4-4-2 formation which obstructs his movement in the pitch. He is doing ok actually, but I think th ewill work in the 4-3-1-2 formation. Chiellini remains there, I'm still patiently waiting for his form to return, and then put Mutu up with Trezeguet and it is set.

This topic is really stimulating, however I will say that even though the formations goes well on paper, it will only go well on paper. I'm not trying to put every1 down, but the main problem lies with Capello, who will definitely go for 4-4-2 and still put Nedved in the left. Even if some1 were to put the most flattering formation which may work wonders, it will never happen under Capello becos of his weird mentality problem towards certain players and what not. For example the Mutu case, how long does he have to sit on the bench b4 Capello really discovers his abilities and strengths? And his weird substitutions is still making me annoyed. Unless these 2 problems are solved, I think this topic will still be ongoing between members. This topic is really interesting, however seeing the formation to be put on the pitch is still something everybody is dying to see.
 

#10

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Jul 28, 2002
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#78
Azzurri7 said:
Jhon, I dont think we should waste the money we spend on Vieira...Having Vieira-Emerson in my formation would mean that these shouldn't move or even try to attack, So staying in their places would be a nightmare to any player..yes anyone.

we've already tried Zambo in lot of places right, left many things, why can't we believe that Zambo could also work in a 3man defence...he's fast, can jump, has the needed body, everything....The only one that can worry me is Thuram..other than that, I would give a shot without hesitating.

Anyhow welcome back, It's been some time since you didn't come.:)
Cheers boss, right now im bored with revision so i find myself here.

I agree having two holding midfielders is dangerous but it makes us undeniebly stable. This should allow for camo and neddy to play more attacking free roles. With one of them attacking set pieces, i kinda like the way they play. The problem (if there is a problem) imho is that our winger do not always complete the job well enough.

Imho rambo's biggest strengths are his pace and crossing...in a three man defence he will have no attacking allowance...this would be a waste imho.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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#80
Dominic said:
Quite ironic; Zambrotta will be able to do everything but 'play his football' when you field him as centre back, like you want to do.

I wouldn't really say Centre back...atleast I do think he'll do better than now..
TBH, I didn't notice Zambrotta playing with us in 2005...and you can actually figure it out that he's not happy playing on the right...maybe it was working well under Lippi, thats because he knows how to use him...Not Capello though..Anyhow back to my point, I really don't think Zambrotta in that position that I put him will be in a centre back, he MAY be in couple of balls to interfere, which he is good at...Other than that, I'm pretty sure Zambo can do it...I mean with this guy we tried lot of things, and it all worked with him, why cant we trust him in 3man defence??
 

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