WATCHING CHELSEA GAVE ME AN IDEA... (4 Viewers)

[V]

zlatan will never become a mindfielder. why? he simply isn't one. he doesn't have what it takes to be a midfielder. you want to throw him to the middle so dp can play upfront. nice. that won't work because zlatan doesn't have any defensive skills, except for picking up cards, and you need to have defensive avarness to play in the midfield. zlatan always looks forward, never looks back. being a forward isn't just scoring goals, assists are just as valuable, cause they end up with a goal. and at the end of the day this is a team sport, the result is what counts, doesn't matter if zlatan scored or cannavaro scored the goals as long as we win. with zlatan in midfield we would only be getting a starting place for del piero and nothing else, and that's what some actually want. but zlatan in the midfield won't and can't work.

 

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[Chxta]

While on the one hand, I think we should start preparing for life without DP, on the other, I think Mutu would be better suited to the attacking midfield role...

 

[Gandalf]

Good. But do you really think that Zlatan can play as a midfielder. He has Technical and dribbling skill and he's very tall. His dribbles only works in near the target and I think his post as partner of Striker trez is the best he can perform. He can control the long balls very nice even better than any player in the world.

No harm in giving it a shot, but Zlatan 's reluctance to release the ball early and his consistent urges to try shots from 40 yards out might deny our forwards the service needed if we're to focus our attacks through him. We could compensate for that by having Mutu or Del Piero drop deep as well so as to give Emerson and Vieira an added option for a pass upfield though.

Agree with the above two..

zlatan is not an AM type.. he might have the skills, the build..etc.. but, he lacks the mentality of the midfielder.. specially an attacking midfielder whose aim is to create chances and move and pass quickly.. if he played in an AM position with his current mentality.. well, say bye bye to our midfield.. it might work for other players.. nice plan denco, but not for zlatan..

 

[Holygr4le]

+rep

Good idea.
The thing with Ibra is that he plays in so completely different roles in the different positions he is being given.

Ibra as a striker?
Well. Everyone says he is an awful finisher, and I agree to a certain point.
He scored 16 goals his first season in Juve witch was more than you could expect from him.
This season he has only succeeded in making 3, witch is far to few. But if you watch Zlatan on the pitch he does not get any balls to work with. They depend on him to do the works (and that’s why he is No1 in assists) witch makes him search for the ball. Read: Go deep in the pitch, go wide, go at the corner flags and so on. To be honest the movement in our attack is horrible witch leave the strikers with almost no opportunities.

In the Swedish NT he has a scoring % at .52 trough his entire career witch is very high. Higher then Larsson witch is a great striker. But there are 3 factors here.
1. He gets much better support and far more movement. Sweden rely their game on playing with a lot of movement.
2. Sweden scores far more goals in average then Juve. Scored 30 goals in 10 games of this year WC qualifying.
3. Ibra has a free role. Depending on the game he can adjust his position and decide where and how to play.

Ibra as a midfielder?
I believe it works. It is practically the position he plays in at least 25% of the nationals. Not on paper! But on the pitch he sinks down making Sweden play in a 4-1-3-1-1 system.
He will never be the playmaker. But defensive attacker or offensive midfielder (trequartista) would work great in my book.

 

[A_LAcki]

To be honest, I always wanted Zlatan to play on the flank! Anybody who plays football, will agree that making fancy flicks in the middle has no sense, as there are always more players, but on the flank you have the space to do dribblings. Also, Zlatan has shown everybody his great passing abbilty, thats why I always wanted him to play on the flank!

But, as my good old fella Dominic said, Capello wants Ibra to be the next Van Basten. Thats why its senseless to talk about this! We can dream, but thats really way to far from reality!

 

[denco]

Great to have responses to this post and differing views

For those who say it will not work, how do you know? Would you have said zambrotta will make a good left back? I would, as i didnt think he was a great right winger
Saying Zlatan should defend is just one of those nonsense i hate reading and its why we are not the most watchable teams, why does he have to defend? Whats Vieria, Emerson, Camo, Zambrotta, Cannavaro and Thuram there for?
Why do we always think of how we stop teams, not how we are better than others?

Mutu or Dp have proved time and time again that they are second strikers and cannot play in the midfield .

As for the misguided soul who thinks its a ploy to play Dp , well let me tell you something, any time and in anybody's definition, Dp is a much better forward than Zlatan, he will always outscore him and so would Mutu for that matter
So why not just play Zlatan in a position where he can hurt the opposition more
When a striker starts to make so called assists instead of putting the ball in the back of then net, its time to put him as an attacking midfield and as some learned ppl have said Zlatan is more comfortable outside the box than in

No matter hgow many times you tell Dp or Mutu to play as an attacking midfielder, you always find them sneaking into the penalty box but Zlatan likes to work his way outside the penalty box, don;t that tell you anything?

As for Zlatan being the next Van Basten . well thats idiotic and someone not too up on football will tell u that let alone the manager of Juventus.

Is it not a matter of concern that only Trez is scoring regularly? What happens when he breaks his shoulder again?
Zlatan is a terrific player but he is not an out an out striker and the fact that he scores more spectacular goals than tap ins should tell u something
And I do agree , we have to get the players to move off the ball more, if i was the manager, we will be doing that in training until they are sick of it

 

[Azzurri7]

great Idea...and you really convinced me with this, as I really think it can work....

Sadly we all know Capello wont be trying this....as his way of playing is a bit more defence...he can't understand that having Vieira and Emerson can help the job and make it easier....I sometimes don't know why we even bought Vieira...I mean we have the 2strongest DM's in the world yet we're still playing defence instead of attacking ffs.

If I was the manager, I wouldn't hesitate doing that, It's actually great Idea.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Gave me an idea too, find a Russian bullionaire and get him to give me a lot of money.

 

[Azzurri7]

Gave me an idea too, find a Russian bullionaire and get him to give me a lot of money.

repped....

 

[Dominic]

As for Zlatan being the next Van Basten . well thats idiotic and someone not too up on football will tell u that let alone the manager of Juventus.

I know it's idiotic, but Capello has stated exactly that; he is trying to mould Ibrahimovic into the next Van Basten.

Though to be honest.. While I think Zlatan would make a better midfielder than a forward, neither do I think he'd be that special as midfielder. I'd rather have Capello work on a solution to how to field Mutu, instead of building the team for Ibrahimovic to feel comfortable.

Ibrahimovic might only be really suited to play as flank player, as Alex pointed out. Though Ibrahimovic might lack the mobility for that.

 

[denco]

I know it's idiotic, but Capello has stated exactly that; he is trying to mould Ibrahimovic into the next Van Basten.

Though to be honest.. While I think Zlatan would make a better midfielder than a forward, neither do I think he'd be that special as midfielder. I'd rather have Capello work on a solution to how to field Mutu, instead of building the team for Ibrahimovic to feel comfortable.

Solution on how to field Mutu? Play him as a second striker, its not rocket science. No matter how many times you play mMutu as a winger , it will not work as he is never that. Playing Zlatan in the midfield is called maximising the potential you have. I do not know about you but the idea of a fit and in form Mutu , dp or Zlatan on the bench just to accommodate an outdated 4-4-2 does not sit well with me
You have 2 holding midfielders for godsakes. I mean which other team plays with 2 holding midfielders? Milan? no. Barcelona? no Inter? no. Liverpool? no Man united? no Not even Mourinho who is lets face it , e negative thinking manager, plays only Makele as holding with Lampard, Essien Robben and Cole bombing forward to aid Drogba

 

[Dominic]

Solution on how to field Mutu? Play him as a second striker, its not rocket science. No matter how many times you play mMutu as a winger , it will not work as he is never that. Playing Zlatan in the midfield is called maximising the potential you have. I do not know about you but the idea of a fit and in form Mutu , dp or Zlatan on the bench just to accommodate an outdated 4-4-2 does not sit well with me
You have 2 holding midfielders for godsakes. I mean which other team plays with 2 holding midfielders? Milan? no. Barcelona? no Inter? no. Liverpool? no Man united? no Not even Mourinho who is lets face it , e negative thinking manager, plays only Makele as holding with Lampard, Essien Robben and Cole bombing forward to aid Drogba

I know it's not rocket science to field Mutu as second striker, that's not really what it's about.Realistically, Capello will continue to field Ibrahimovic and Trezeguet as the first choise partnership.

So with regards to Capello continueing to field Ibrahimovic and Trez upfront the problem shifts from 'Ibrahimovic in midfield' to 'Mutu in midfield'. Capello HAS been trying this (though only when Camo or Nedved has been unavailable).
I'm one of the few who thought it was a good idea to try Mutu as winger, as he has the characteristics for the role and could solve our leftwing problem. Though appearantly he has not settled in that role. Though is it really because of his inability to play there, or because of the lack of regular playing time?
Let's say for a moment it's because of his inability. With Ibra and Trez up top, play Mutu behind the strikers? Maybe... I actually think he has more of the characteristics to play as Winger than 'playmaker', as I do not see Mutu as the passer type. Though getting back at Ibrahimovic, IF he would be fielded as midfielder you'd kill two birds with one stone.

With something like this though:

'Trezeguet
Mutu Ibrahimovic'

You could field Ibrahimovic somewhat in more of a midfield role and Mutu somewhat more in his own role as support striker. Without giving any of them the role of the playmaker, which I think suits neither.

I wonder what will happen next season, particularly when Nedved quits...

 

[Akerman]

Zlatan scored 16 goals last season. Highest Juve-scorer. And that was his first year.

Ever heard of attackers producing less goals than former season? He has the potential to score 16 goals, that is all we need to know to put him as a forward. DP had seasons when he scored few goals and remember that Zlatan hasn't even been given 2 chances yet. DP has been given 12.

I seriously don't think the problem is Zlatan, as he's shown in the NT, for example, what an excellent scorer he is. The problem is our defensive midfield. We need better offensive choices and to be honest the passes to Zlatan have been just as mediocre as Zlatans finishing.

 

[V]

i just don't understand the need to reshuffle our team, don't see the point. we're top of italy, top of europe, everythings going as smooth as a baby's ass. so why in god's name would we want to temper with a winning formula? what is there to gain that we already don't have now? there's only a risk in loosing valuable points. and what coach would seriously consider changing his line up in the crucial part of the season? if it was going to happen it will happen when the title is secured and later on in the friendlies. right now we got the best attack in italy, i'm satisfied with that.

it's perfectly normal for a player to choke in his second seasons, lot of people have anticipated this, and in the end what harm has it done us? none! instead of goals he has packed crucial moves and assists, what more do you wannt from the man? as long as trez is there to put them in, and juve wins, i don't care if zlatan doesn't score a single goal anymore this season. and i assure you by the end of the season zlatan will have 15 goals.

 

[Holygr4le]

For those who say it will not work, how do you know? Would you have said zambrotta will make a good left back? I would, as i didnt think he was a great right winger
Saying Zlatan should defend is just one of those nonsense i hate reading and its why we are not the most watchable teams, why does he have to defend? Whats Vieria, Emerson, Camo, Zambrotta, Cannavaro and Thuram there for?
Why do we always think of how we stop teams, not how we are better than others?

Agree!
Who will demand Robben to defend in Chelsea? Or Ronaldinho…

Mutu or Dp have proved time and time again that they are second strikers and cannot play in the midfield .

Sadly true also. But I belive both of them could succeed as offensive central midfielder with a bit more support. As Juve play right now no one would succeed as attacking midfielder…

As for the misguided soul who thinks its a ploy to play Dp , well let me tell you something, any time and in anybody's definition, Dp is a much better forward than Zlatan, he will always outscore him and so would Mutu for that matter

I don´t know if they would outscore him anytime, look at last season as one example. Yeah, I know they had about 40% the playtime of Ibra… The point is that I agree on this also, that is that they are more of a striker then Ibra ever will be…

So why not just play Zlatan in a position where he can hurt the opposition more
When a striker starts to make so called assists instead of putting the ball in the back of then net, its time to put him as an attacking midfield and as some learned ppl have said Zlatan is more comfortable outside the box than in

No matter hgow many times you tell Dp or Mutu to play as an attacking midfielder, you always find them sneaking into the penalty box but Zlatan likes to work his way outside the penalty box, don;t that tell you anything?

As for Zlatan being the next Van Basten . well thats idiotic and someone not too up on football will tell u that let alone the manager of Juventus.

Very good point.
Defender are also afraid to act aggressively when he has the ball cause they know he could fool them to the stands…

Is it not a matter of concern that only Trez is scoring regularly? What happens when he breaks his shoulder again?
Zlatan is a terrific player but he is not an out an out striker and the fact that he scores more spectacular goals than tap ins should tell u something
And I do agree , we have to get the players to move off the ball more, if i was the manager, we will be doing that in training until they are sick of it

This is something I´ve been arguing about all season.
1. Movement without ball
2. Positioning
3. Paste of the ball
4. Follow ups by defensive players

We need to improve on this things in order to turn big games around.
Look at the two games we lost. Milan and Bayern. We were not able to change the paste of those games…

 

[denco]

Zlatan scored 16 goals last season. Highest Juve-scorer. And that was his first year.

Ever heard of attackers producing less goals than former season? He has the potential to score 16 goals, that is all we need to know to put him as a forward. DP had seasons when he scored few goals and remember that Zlatan hasn't even been given 2 chances yet. DP has been given 12.
I seriously don't think the problem is Zlatan, as he's shown in the NT, for example, what an excellent scorer he is. The problem is our defensive midfield. We need better offensive choices and to be honest the passes to Zlatan have been just as mediocre as Zlatans finishing.

I am sorry what the hell does that mean? This is not a Zlatan vs Dp debate and do not include me in your stupid category. This is about making Juve into a better unit and yes we are top of serieA but like i have said before this version of seriea aint hotstuff. I have seen us completely outplayed by Bayern and Milan which well is no disgrace but to be outplayed by Rapid Vienna is not just on, so okay we won the game but if they had better strikers we would have lost.
Zlatan scored 16 goals in seriea last term, yes but how many did Lucarelli score? or Gilardino or Montella? Are these really the best strikers in the world? And how many did Zlatan score in Cl, well 0
I do not go along with those who criticise him, i just feel the guy is probably wasted in trying to make him into an out an out striker, that he aint as some of his misses have testified. He does however have the ability to open up spaces for his teammates

I see the son of capello is talking about not changing because we are " on top of serieA and Europe", top of seriea , yes, Europe ? get real

It is this kinda myopia that leads to not winning Cl, what have Chelsea done? Have they sat on their laurels now that they are leading Epl? Of cos not , they gone and got maniche on loan
Is there a reason that free deals for maniche and even Keane is beyond us? Or is £3.5m now beyond us for Cassano?
Say what you will about Keane but even at 60 he is better than Blasi and Giannichedda as replacements for Vieria and Emerson

 

[V]

I see the son of capello is talking about not changing because we are " on top of serieA and Europe", top of seriea , yes, Europe ? get real

i'm sorry, were you reffering to me?

 

[denco]

Yes that i was

 

[Azzurri7]

Akerman, get real ffs....you're trying to turn this into Dp Vs Zlatan thread eh??? If you read good, you'll realize that It's how to turn our squad into a real force, and better than the current. I actually agree that we'll get our ass kicked by the likes of Chelsea or Barca or even Lyon, If we continue on playing this way. Now don't come up with these things like we're top of serie A and these things, TBH, I saw Juve getting outplayed by Milan Barca and many other small teams, last year we did well in Serie A and we won our 28th scud, yet we were rapped by Liverpool, I'll never forget what performance we gave them in Delle Alpi...It was like watching Lecce running around the ball.

I may be satisfied in Serie A, But not in CL as long as Capello will continue playing his style....the ugly old fashion one.

 

[Akerman]

It's natural to turn it into a forward vs forward debate because people seem to want to play Zlatan as a midfield just because he's not producing goals atm. I mean you don't put a forward at midfield just because he's not producing goals. Your deabte is ridiculous, not mine.