Virginia Tech Murders (9 Viewers)

[The Pado]

Well, if you say .... people died today because of hunger on and today happens to be 9/11, people will think you're rude and have no manners. Why? The answer's simple IMO, 9/11 happened in America, so I'm supposed to care. It's a rather racist point of view in my humble opinion.

Perspective is important in these things.

Actually, the response all over the world, is horror and shock that 32 kids were killed on a peaceful college campus by a lone maniac. An event that came out of the blue and could not have been predicted. Whereas, 150 people dead in Baghdad is equally sickening, but certainly not shocking, as there is a civil war raging on and there is likely to be as many killed there tomorrow. This is a worldwide reaction, but you seem bent on pointing the accusatory finger at the USA, again . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Change the record, I think it's scratched.

 

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[The Pado]

The biblical references and the references towards Jesus were everywhere in his video. Perhaps we should refer to him as a "Christian Terrorist". Had this been someone with Qur'anic references he would surely been called an "Islamic Terrorist" and the nation would have been on high alert.

The blame game continues...

No, because George Bush, the real Christian Terrorist, would take offense

 

[Vinman]

first of all, everyone here should know that you cant have a thread dedicated to the deceased from this tragedy without seven giving his ignorant, disrespectful opinions....

Kind of reminds me of the brilliant comments about how he thought the Twin Towers were "ugly" on the 3 year anniversary of the tragedy

On to the incident- my greatest anger in this situation is just how easy it is to obtain a gun in Virginia. Gun laws vary by states, whereas it is very difficult to obtain a pistol permit in New York state, while in Virginia its pretty easy to walk into a store and get a gun, with a rather simple background check (if even any, TBH)

Thats where our gun laws have to be changed, and made into national guidelines, rather than having every state make their own varying standards.

I dont have a problem with a law abiding citizen carrying a legal firearm, as a matter of fact, its a shame that one of these teachers on campus wasnt carrying a gun, and could have possibly stopped this maniac before he killed all these people.

If people think that banning guns outright is the answer, than take a look at Canada. They have strict gun laws, and it seems the only ones who carry firearms 24 hours a day are the gangbangers/drug dealers...and not the police

Anyone watch Canadian news lately (Bessie ??)....many, many shootings in the greater Toronto area...what happened to the gun laws ??

 

[gray]

I dont have a problem with a law abiding citizen carrying a legal firearm

That sounds all well and good, but I think that's a bit of flawed reasoning that's shared by a lot of people.

I'm all for "innocent until proven guilty", but the problem is that you don't know who's going to be the next person to go on a shooting rampage. Everyone is a law-abiding citizen until they go and shoot someone, and up until Cho Seung-Hui pulled the trigger, he was a law-abiding citizen carrying a legal firearm.

I haven't researched the criminal records of people who have gone on killing sprees, but I'm pretty sure it was a first offense for a lot of them.

So you can't just give everyone a gun because they've had a clean record up until the present, because it's only after the smoke has settled and the bodies are cold that you can slap a criminal record on someone and say "Oh, I guess that guy shouldn't be allowed to carry guns", and by that point it's obviously too late.

 

[Bjerknes]

first of all, everyone here should know that you cant have a thread dedicated to the deceased from this tragedy without seven giving his ignorant, disrespectful opinions....

Kind of reminds me of the brilliant comments about how he thought the Twin Towers were "ugly" on the 3 year anniversary of the tragedy

Yeah, that comment was just inane and classless.

On to the incident- my greatest anger in this situation is just how easy it is to obtain a gun in Virginia. Gun laws vary by states, whereas it is very difficult to obtain a pistol permit in New York state, while in Virginia its pretty easy to walk into a store and get a gun, with a rather simple background check (if even any, TBH)

Well, we know who to thank for that. The NRA is based in Virginia I believe, with the beloved Republican party adhering to the wants and demands of those gun-toting idiots. The fact that Cho, who had a previous substandard mental history and actually set fire to a dorm, was able to purchase weapons like candy bars is just insane. The blame for this disaster rests on the shoulders of that cunt Cho, but this could have been prevented if the state was not controlled by the NRA and Virginia Tech officials did not let his previous incidents slide.

If people think that banning guns outright is the answer, than take a look at Canada. They have strict gun laws, and it seems the only ones who carry firearms 24 hours a day are the gangbangers/drug dealers...and not the police

Anyone watch Canadian news lately (Bessie ??)....many, many shootings in the greater Toronto area...what happened to the gun laws ??

From what I understand, many of the firearms found in Canada are smuggled in from the United States in the well known gun trafficking business. So the lax gun laws here in the States have bearing on people in other countries, too.

Personally, I think guns should only be made available for police and citizens who have been processed through multiple background checks, psychiatric analysis and also extensive training. We need to stop this bullshit of giving guns to almost anyone because more guns out in public means a greater chance of a criminal obtaining one or some negligent idiot having it stolen.

 

[Bjerknes]

As much as I think this country has its head screwed on wrong when it comes to access to guns, this whole incident marks two major issues that -- when combined -- constitute a lethal cocktail for American society.

There certainly is, of course, the ready access to major firepower. That's the gasoline added to the fire.

But the ignition and the oxygen comes from mental health services in this country. Ever since the Reagan era government made massive cuts to mental health care programs in this country, homeless populations swelled with mental health cases. Even more dangerous on an individual level, we saved a few government bucks to allow dangerous people to run unchecked and unmonitored in society. People who at the violent extreme, surrounded by ready access to weaponry, are primed for situations like this.

So while you can point fingers at the lack of gun control in this country, that's only part of the problem. Thank you Ronald Reagan, and I'm so glad we named an airport in your honor, for eliminating most of America's mental health programs to turn loose so many homeless on the streets and psychopaths in the Wal-Mart gun stores.

Good post. It's especially alarming when this Cho guy had previous counts of unstable behavior documented, but the health services could not keep him in their hospitals for long and Virginia Tech wouldn't take further action despite this kid stalking students and setting fire to dorm rooms. Not to mention writing ridiculous play scripts about murder and obscene language while not saying a word to absolutely anybody.

The fact nothing more was done about this kid is really unacceptable. People say we need to be more kind and compassionate to people who are not mentally stable, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. And that line starts with violence and shady behavior.

 

[Hambon]

Mental health awareness is the real issue here like swag pointed out. Fighting for gun control especially with the republican backed nra is virtually impossible. Its sad to say but there will need to be many more school massacres for a real change to come around.

Maybe we should listen to Chris Rock, and charge 10,000 a bullet
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[Seven]

first of all, everyone here should know that you cant have a thread dedicated to the deceased from this tragedy without seven giving his ignorant, disrespectful opinions....

Kind of reminds me of the brilliant comments about how he thought the Twin Towers were "ugly" on the 3 year anniversary of the tragedy

On to the incident- my greatest anger in this situation is just how easy it is to obtain a gun in Virginia. Gun laws vary by states, whereas it is very difficult to obtain a pistol permit in New York state, while in Virginia its pretty easy to walk into a store and get a gun, with a rather simple background check (if even any, TBH)

Thats where our gun laws have to be changed, and made into national guidelines, rather than having every state make their own varying standards.

I dont have a problem with a law abiding citizen carrying a legal firearm, as a matter of fact, its a shame that one of these teachers on campus wasnt carrying a gun, and could have possibly stopped this maniac before he killed all these people.

If people think that banning guns outright is the answer, than take a look at Canada. They have strict gun laws, and it seems the only ones who carry firearms 24 hours a day are the gangbangers/drug dealers...and not the police

Anyone watch Canadian news lately (Bessie ??)....many, many shootings in the greater Toronto area...what happened to the gun laws ??

Let's put this simple for you:

things like these happen in the USA. They don't in Western Europe. Despite all your fancy talk and all the apparent shit that comes out of my mouth. You'll just have to accept I'm right. I know it's tough, because you are a talking monkey after all, but statistics really don't lie. America has a problem and it lies far deeper than gun control. That's just the first step, one that we took many, many, many, many years ago.

People often mistake respect for ignorance. You know what? I don't care about the people who died on 9/11. And I also don't care about the people that die of hunger every day. Yet I'm the first one to think of measures. You on the other hand will say RIP, shake your head and think you're a fine, moral citizen of the USA.

BTW, I see that you can order Walmart guns online...

That says it all.

 

[Seven]

Actually, the response all over the world, is horror and shock that 32 kids were killed on a peaceful college campus by a lone maniac. An event that came out of the blue and could not have been predicted. Whereas, 150 people dead in Baghdad is equally sickening, but certainly not shocking, as there is a civil war raging on and there is likely to be as many killed there tomorrow. This is a worldwide reaction, but you seem bent on pointing the accusatory finger at the USA, again . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Change the record, I think it's scratched.

Again, Pado, I'm not saying it's not shocking, but it could have been predicted. Look at incidents like this in the USA in the past five years. Hell, it seems to happen regularly! Isn't it odd to you that we don't have that lone maniac here? Or maybe you guys are suggesting that we simply don't have retards in Europe. Of course I'm bent on pointing the accusatory finger at the USA, because it's so damn obvious. You have a gun lobby screaming for more weapens at this point FFS.

 

[gray]

People often mistake respect for ignorance. You know what? I don't care about the people who died on 9/11. And I also don't care about the people that die of hunger every day. Yet I'm the first one to think of measures. You on the other hand will say RIP, shake your head and think you're a fine, moral citizen of the USA.

You know what, I actually understand where you're coming from here. It's easy enough to call something a tragedy, shake your head and say how sad it is, but the truth is that 99.99% of people who aren't directly affected by these kinds of things can't actually say that they care, because they're going to get on with their day, and get on with their lives.

When I heard about this, I obviously read up on all the news and stuff, but it'd be hypocritical of me to say that I was truly saddened, the way I was when my golden retriever was killed by a car. You can call it insensitive and say that I care more about dogs than people, but I do understand your point here, despite the "stop being an asshole" responses that you'll definitely get.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

first of all, everyone here should know that you cant have a thread dedicated to the deceased from this tragedy without seven giving his ignorant, disrespectful opinions....

Kind of reminds me of the brilliant comments about how he thought the Twin Towers were "ugly" on the 3 year anniversary of the tragedy

On to the incident- my greatest anger in this situation is just how easy it is to obtain a gun in Virginia. Gun laws vary by states, whereas it is very difficult to obtain a pistol permit in New York state, while in Virginia its pretty easy to walk into a store and get a gun, with a rather simple background check (if even any, TBH)

Thats where our gun laws have to be changed, and made into national guidelines, rather than having every state make their own varying standards.

I dont have a problem with a law abiding citizen carrying a legal firearm, as a matter of fact, its a shame that one of these teachers on campus wasnt carrying a gun, and could have possibly stopped this maniac before he killed all these people.

If people think that banning guns outright is the answer, than take a look at Canada. They have strict gun laws, and it seems the only ones who carry firearms 24 hours a day are the gangbangers/drug dealers...and not the police

Anyone watch Canadian news lately (Bessie ??)....many, many shootings in the greater Toronto area...what happened to the gun laws ??

keep in mind that when states make their laws they can only make them stricter so if the federal government in us had new york's laws on gun control, virginia would have to have them as well

and vinnie, the canadian gun registry is just a big mess

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

The biblical references and the references towards Jesus were everywhere in his video. Perhaps we should refer to him as a "Christian Terrorist". Had this been someone with Qur'anic references he would surely been called an "Islamic Terrorist" and the nation would have been on high alert.

The blame game continues...

holy fuck give it a rest. did this guy kill people in the name of jesus? there are plenty of christian terrorists in america, take on them

 

[tanveer_1]

i really dont get it; where to did you want them to evacuate the students? and how can they evacuate 20'000 people anyway?

then if that was the case why werent they sent to their dorms?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Personally, I think guns should only be made available for police and citizens who have been processed through multiple background checks, psychiatric analysis and also extensive training. We need to stop this bullshit of giving guns to almost anyone because more guns out in public means a greater chance of a criminal obtaining one or some negligent idiot having it stolen.

i like this idea, just as long as the citizen him/herself pays for the entire costs

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

then if that was the case why werent they sent to their dorms?

people got shot in the dorms

 

[Mike-e-y]

No way, you cannot fight violence with violence

i no, but the country bums in america have that much inteligence that they see nothing wrong with it

 

[Vinman]

here, this is for the little weasel seven...shootings can happen ANYWHERE


from msnbc-

Nagasaki mayor dies after being shot
Police identify assailant as member of organized crime syndicate

Updated: 3:41 p.m. ET April 17, 2007
TOKYO - The mayor of the Japanese city of Nagasaki was shot to death in a brazen attack Tuesday by an organized crime chief apparently enraged that the city refused to compensate him after his car was damaged at a public works construction site, police said.

The shooting was rare in a country where handguns are strictly banned and only five politicians are known to have been killed since World War II.

Mayor Iccho Ito, 61, was shot twice in the back at point-blank range outside a train station Tuesday evening, Nagasaki police official Rumi Tsujimoto said.

 

[gray]

I'm not taking anyone's side on this one, but that's completely different Vinnie.

 

[Kosta]

i no, but the country bums in america have that much inteligence that they see nothing wrong with it

We've seen the consequences of that

 

[Vinman]

I'm not taking anyone's side on this one, but that's completely different Vinnie.

please Gray, tell me how ??