well its true, there is alot tgo learn from english football, bu i wouldnt like to see ultras dissapear
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Serie B Tim - 03 Feb 2007 - 5:12 PM
The team schedule
After the decision to suspend all championship games and the consequent posponement of the match with Rimini, Deschamps' men carried out a training session this morning at the Juventus Center, Vinovo. At the end of the session, the Frenchman - as previously intended - gave the whole group two days off. Normal activities are scheduled to resume on Tuesday.
juventus.com
Serie B Tim - 03 Feb 2007 - 5:12 PM
The team schedule
After the decision to suspend all championship games and the consequent posponement of the match with Rimini, Deschamps' men carried out a training session this morning at the Juventus Center, Vinovo. At the end of the session, the Frenchman - as previously intended - gave the whole group two days off. Normal activities are scheduled to resume on Tuesday.
juventus.com
A Necessary Suspension, Says Cobolli Gigli
The Juventus President is in favour of stopping the Italian football for the coming weeks in order for everyone to realize what is happening.
Giovanni Cobolli Gigli commented the indefinite Italian football suspension following the Catania incidents.
"It is a necessary decision, appropriate and we all agree with the decisions taken by the commissioner. All clubs are convinced and I hope that this decision also leads to measures in short-term, because if there are no such measures it will become very complicated playing again the Serie B and Serie A leagues."
Cobolli Gigli also spoke about the relationship between Juventus and its fans.
"Our ethical code also refers to this. The club is also trying to apply in practical terms this will. Everything is doable. However we still need in this moment to receive exact rules from the government authorities. And we must all do our best to respect these rules."
Goal.com
The Juventus President is in favour of stopping the Italian football for the coming weeks in order for everyone to realize what is happening.
Giovanni Cobolli Gigli commented the indefinite Italian football suspension following the Catania incidents.
"It is a necessary decision, appropriate and we all agree with the decisions taken by the commissioner. All clubs are convinced and I hope that this decision also leads to measures in short-term, because if there are no such measures it will become very complicated playing again the Serie B and Serie A leagues."
Cobolli Gigli also spoke about the relationship between Juventus and its fans.
"Our ethical code also refers to this. The club is also trying to apply in practical terms this will. Everything is doable. However we still need in this moment to receive exact rules from the government authorities. And we must all do our best to respect these rules."
Goal.com
Previous Violence in Italian Calcio
'YOU will hear about this tragedy for a long time. It is not possible to let a man die like this, alone, without the police nor anyone else to protect him." These sad words from a week ago belong to Ermanno Licursi's widow, Licursi being another victim of an escalating hooligan crisis in Italian football. Licursi, the director of an amateur team called Sammartinese, was killed after trying to prevent his players being attacked by fans from Cancellese, their rivals in the southern region of Calabria.
Even here, the equivalent of Italy's 10th division, violence rages. Sammartinese's players were being stoned as they made of the pitch at the end of the match. Licursi stepped in to plead with the fans to behave and they kicked him to death.
That same weekend in Florence a fan of the visitors Livorno received terrible head wounds after a fight before the Tuscany derby with Fiorentina. In Bergamo, three fans were arrested for attacking the team bus of their visitors, Atalanta. Five policeman were hurt in clashes. Elsewhere, the Serie C1 game between Cavese and Taranto was disrupted for 40 minutes because of fighting. At another ground in Rome two fans were taken to hospital with severe burns from firecrackers that had been hoisted into where they were sitting.
Last weekend, like practically every other weekend in Italy, there was trouble on the streets of most of the cities where football was played. Even at minor games it is commonplace and it has been that way for a considerable period of time. At a match involving Genzano and Normanna eight days ago a linesman was struck by a drum thrown from the crowd. The linesman required 12 stitches in a wound but that hardly merited a footnote, not when there was tragedy elsewhere, the horror of Licursi's death dominating the headlines.
You don't have to have a particularly keen memory to recall what happened when Middlesbrough went to Rome for a Uefa Cup tie in mid-March of last year. Thirty Middlesbrough fans were ambushed by 80 Ultras in the city's Campo di Fiori. The gang were led by a nutcase wielding an axe and was backed up by others brandishing knives and baseball bats. Indeed, just before Christmas a group of Juventus supporters were frisked on their way in to a rival's stadium and from the pockets and socks of the fans of Italy's Old Lady club came a collection of knives.
Their intended victims had a lucky escape but the Boro contingent weren't so lucky. A 39-year-old man, with his 11-year-old son, needed surgery after getting stabbed in the back. Two others needed hospital treatment after getting cut by an Ultra blade.
By Tom English
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What is the match Those stupid Ultra groups wanted to take their knives to??
'YOU will hear about this tragedy for a long time. It is not possible to let a man die like this, alone, without the police nor anyone else to protect him." These sad words from a week ago belong to Ermanno Licursi's widow, Licursi being another victim of an escalating hooligan crisis in Italian football. Licursi, the director of an amateur team called Sammartinese, was killed after trying to prevent his players being attacked by fans from Cancellese, their rivals in the southern region of Calabria.
Even here, the equivalent of Italy's 10th division, violence rages. Sammartinese's players were being stoned as they made of the pitch at the end of the match. Licursi stepped in to plead with the fans to behave and they kicked him to death.
That same weekend in Florence a fan of the visitors Livorno received terrible head wounds after a fight before the Tuscany derby with Fiorentina. In Bergamo, three fans were arrested for attacking the team bus of their visitors, Atalanta. Five policeman were hurt in clashes. Elsewhere, the Serie C1 game between Cavese and Taranto was disrupted for 40 minutes because of fighting. At another ground in Rome two fans were taken to hospital with severe burns from firecrackers that had been hoisted into where they were sitting.
Last weekend, like practically every other weekend in Italy, there was trouble on the streets of most of the cities where football was played. Even at minor games it is commonplace and it has been that way for a considerable period of time. At a match involving Genzano and Normanna eight days ago a linesman was struck by a drum thrown from the crowd. The linesman required 12 stitches in a wound but that hardly merited a footnote, not when there was tragedy elsewhere, the horror of Licursi's death dominating the headlines.
You don't have to have a particularly keen memory to recall what happened when Middlesbrough went to Rome for a Uefa Cup tie in mid-March of last year. Thirty Middlesbrough fans were ambushed by 80 Ultras in the city's Campo di Fiori. The gang were led by a nutcase wielding an axe and was backed up by others brandishing knives and baseball bats. Indeed, just before Christmas a group of Juventus supporters were frisked on their way in to a rival's stadium and from the pockets and socks of the fans of Italy's Old Lady club came a collection of knives.
Their intended victims had a lucky escape but the Boro contingent weren't so lucky. A 39-year-old man, with his 11-year-old son, needed surgery after getting stabbed in the back. Two others needed hospital treatment after getting cut by an Ultra blade.
By Tom English
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What is the match Those stupid Ultra groups wanted to take their knives to??
The real issue for me is not banning Ultras per se. When I went to see Inter vs Sampdoria in San Siro in 1996/97 season, and I thought the atmosphere in the stadium was terrific, especially calling out players name through microphone, and everyone chanting the name.
But what really bothers me is that, those ultras who do not want to abide with the rules, are not punished for their stupidity. Its one thing to support team ferevently. There are limits to their behaviour. I mean what is the point of forcing Inter to play behind the closed doors in CL, when it was so evident that the actions of certain ultras were designed to hurt their own team. I find the logic used by UEFA, FIGC, and the news-paper writers to be rather odd, and in many respect downright ridiculous, in which the club itself is accountable for every single bad incidences caused by its fan.
As I have said in numerous times, if you certain people are responsible for certain deeds, then they are the ones who be held accountable. Its a principle even 5 year old can comprehend, and yet, we see many grown ups who cannot grasp such simple truth. If a ultra killed policeman, then punish that ultra, not the clubs or Italian football in general. I applaud Pancalli for suspending the games for a moment of reflection. That is the least one can do, and the policeman deserve. I mean if the lover killed their lover's wife or husband without consent, it is the lover who are punished for the deeds not their partners. The same should apply to soccer. If fans throw a firebombs, then they should pay the fine, reflecting the damage of their actions. If a fans throw the bomb and kill a policeman then send them to jail, and make sure they don't come anywhere near the stadia in their lifetime.
Suspending a league for year will not be helpful at all, because alas, in a year or two everything will be forgotten, and irresponsible member of ultras, will go back to their ways knowing full well they are going to get away with their stupidity. After all, you certainly won't be looking for most emphathetic people amongst ultras. Teams, players, and most importantly fellow reasonable fans should not pay the price when certain people's behaviour are beyond their accountability.
But what really bothers me is that, those ultras who do not want to abide with the rules, are not punished for their stupidity. Its one thing to support team ferevently. There are limits to their behaviour. I mean what is the point of forcing Inter to play behind the closed doors in CL, when it was so evident that the actions of certain ultras were designed to hurt their own team. I find the logic used by UEFA, FIGC, and the news-paper writers to be rather odd, and in many respect downright ridiculous, in which the club itself is accountable for every single bad incidences caused by its fan.
As I have said in numerous times, if you certain people are responsible for certain deeds, then they are the ones who be held accountable. Its a principle even 5 year old can comprehend, and yet, we see many grown ups who cannot grasp such simple truth. If a ultra killed policeman, then punish that ultra, not the clubs or Italian football in general. I applaud Pancalli for suspending the games for a moment of reflection. That is the least one can do, and the policeman deserve. I mean if the lover killed their lover's wife or husband without consent, it is the lover who are punished for the deeds not their partners. The same should apply to soccer. If fans throw a firebombs, then they should pay the fine, reflecting the damage of their actions. If a fans throw the bomb and kill a policeman then send them to jail, and make sure they don't come anywhere near the stadia in their lifetime.
Suspending a league for year will not be helpful at all, because alas, in a year or two everything will be forgotten, and irresponsible member of ultras, will go back to their ways knowing full well they are going to get away with their stupidity. After all, you certainly won't be looking for most emphathetic people amongst ultras. Teams, players, and most importantly fellow reasonable fans should not pay the price when certain people's behaviour are beyond their accountability.
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P.S. Materazzi is from Lecce.
How is this scumbag allowed to post here.
class as always jun 
I also want to add something about those ultras groups, since those groups r very organised then they must have some leaders that control them and to a certain extent they should be held responsible for some of their group's actions.
They should be the ones who remove the trouble makers away from their groups imo.
I also want to add something about those ultras groups, since those groups r very organised then they must have some leaders that control them and to a certain extent they should be held responsible for some of their group's actions.
They should be the ones who remove the trouble makers away from their groups imo.
WoW...
Look at the financial losses if Calcio won't resume soon:
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Shutdown of Italy soccer big money loser
The temporary shutdown of Italian soccer is not just depressing fans in this football mad country but also spells big business losses for a sport that has become a money machine.
From advertising to clothing, television rights to ticket sales and sponsorships to legal betting, Italian soccer rakes in estimated revenues of up to 6 billion euros a year.
That is nearly 0.5 per cent of GDP and the money stream has picked up speed since Italy won the World Cup last year.
But none of it is flowing after authorities indefinitely suspended all soccer following the death of a policeman during fan rioting at a top flight match in Sicily on Friday. There is no indication when the sport will resume.
Some recent estimates say Italy's Serie A division alone has a market value of about E1.4 billion , second only to England's Premier League.
A study by the Deloitte consulting firm last year said some 44 million of Italy's 58 million people, or some 76 per cent of the population, are interested in soccer, 31 million of them are fans and some 14 million go to the stadiums.
Live television soccer broadcasts total some 1,500 hours a year, drawing an average of four million viewers. Nine million Italians read a daily sports paper.
That is not all. Italians also put their money where their heart is.
They have about E340 million euros of their money invested in shares of Italy's three listed soccer teams - Roma, Lazio and Juventus.
All the figures amount to an advertising salespersons dream, and, if it stops or slows down, a revenue nightmare all around, extending to the government tax coffers.
Agipronews, a news agency specialised in betting news, says the government will lose E3.1 million in tax revenues from legal betting every weekend where there are no games.
Betting houses lose E5.9 million euros of business every weekend without soccer.
The agency says Italians bet about E30 million each weekend on soccer, about 70 per cent of it on Italian teams and the rest on foreign sides.
AAP
Look at the financial losses if Calcio won't resume soon:
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Shutdown of Italy soccer big money loser
The temporary shutdown of Italian soccer is not just depressing fans in this football mad country but also spells big business losses for a sport that has become a money machine.
From advertising to clothing, television rights to ticket sales and sponsorships to legal betting, Italian soccer rakes in estimated revenues of up to 6 billion euros a year.
That is nearly 0.5 per cent of GDP and the money stream has picked up speed since Italy won the World Cup last year.
But none of it is flowing after authorities indefinitely suspended all soccer following the death of a policeman during fan rioting at a top flight match in Sicily on Friday. There is no indication when the sport will resume.
Some recent estimates say Italy's Serie A division alone has a market value of about E1.4 billion , second only to England's Premier League.
A study by the Deloitte consulting firm last year said some 44 million of Italy's 58 million people, or some 76 per cent of the population, are interested in soccer, 31 million of them are fans and some 14 million go to the stadiums.
Live television soccer broadcasts total some 1,500 hours a year, drawing an average of four million viewers. Nine million Italians read a daily sports paper.
That is not all. Italians also put their money where their heart is.
They have about E340 million euros of their money invested in shares of Italy's three listed soccer teams - Roma, Lazio and Juventus.
All the figures amount to an advertising salespersons dream, and, if it stops or slows down, a revenue nightmare all around, extending to the government tax coffers.
Agipronews, a news agency specialised in betting news, says the government will lose E3.1 million in tax revenues from legal betting every weekend where there are no games.
Betting houses lose E5.9 million euros of business every weekend without soccer.
The agency says Italians bet about E30 million each weekend on soccer, about 70 per cent of it on Italian teams and the rest on foreign sides.
AAP
Rebel,
if anythingelse the values in the link you provided for us (thanks a lot again, you are truly the informer in this board
int is unestimating the financial value of Italian game. Serie A, IMHO, is highly unmarketed compared to its full potential, and with good management it is only going to grow bigger (Current debacle won't help).
BTW, people who are calling for the game to be stopped for a year IMO is totally irrational and without any idea what this issue is really about. Obviously suspending a game is rigtheous to reflect what this incident means to the game, but lets be realist here, a people who commit such evil deeds have very little self-conscience in the first place. The people who are mourning and regretting are those who have nothing to do with the whole saga. What we need is not a symbolic action but real reform. I am not sure whether the politicans and FIGC have the guts and brain to do something productive than all talking. If you feel sorry, then go out and make sure people who commit violence is punished so that it won't happen again.
if anythingelse the values in the link you provided for us (thanks a lot again, you are truly the informer in this board
int is unestimating the financial value of Italian game. Serie A, IMHO, is highly unmarketed compared to its full potential, and with good management it is only going to grow bigger (Current debacle won't help).BTW, people who are calling for the game to be stopped for a year IMO is totally irrational and without any idea what this issue is really about. Obviously suspending a game is rigtheous to reflect what this incident means to the game, but lets be realist here, a people who commit such evil deeds have very little self-conscience in the first place. The people who are mourning and regretting are those who have nothing to do with the whole saga. What we need is not a symbolic action but real reform. I am not sure whether the politicans and FIGC have the guts and brain to do something productive than all talking. If you feel sorry, then go out and make sure people who commit violence is punished so that it won't happen again.
Well, I don't think stopping calcio for a year is the best option to take, as the statement alone would probably cause instant riots. But if their goal really is to create stadiums that can prevent hooliganism and to take all sorts of practical measures, they would need a hell of a lot of time. Which is why I'm so far sceptical towards FIGC. I think nothing big will happen, despite their initial rage.
That's a ton of money.