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Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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#43
++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++


Like whom?
Emerson, dacourt. Pirlo(although he may nog be the best example), Gilberto Silva, Makelele, Beckham(in his new central role), Xavi, Baraja, Albelda, Albertini, Soldo, Vranjes, that's enough names for now.
 

#10

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Jul 28, 2002
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#44
Makelele does get cards, and the rest are shit dm's....who dont really defend, but are merely deep sitting playmakers, not a true defensive midfielder....to be a defensive midfielder u will get cards, otherwise ur not trying hard enough...im a dm, i get loads of card, but im effective. As people have said, its inevitable u get cards when playing dm, but some u should'nt get (keano :D)

Btw i dont hate keano, in fact im a fan of keano, when he is normal, jus hwen he looses his head it really pisses me off.
 

#10

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Jul 28, 2002
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#46
they are shit because they are not defensive. Xavi is better going forward, jus like the rest of the dms mentioned, e.g pirlo...come on he is a very good defensive midfielder, good creatively but defensivly pants.

Beckham, dm, :rofl: he is no way a dm...cm maybe, but not dm. Albelda is a half decent dm but he also gets cards.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#47
++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++
Emerson, dacourt. Pirlo(although he may nog be the best example), Gilberto Silva, Makelele, Beckham(in his new central role), Xavi, Baraja, Albelda, Albertini, Soldo, Vranjes, that's enough names for now.
Most of the players you mentioned aren't near as good as Viera, Davids, Keane. And the others aren't really DM's.
 

Nofuture

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Mar 30, 2003
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#48
++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++


Most of the players you mentioned aren't near as good as Viera, Davids, Keane. And the others aren't really DM's.
Add Gerard to the list, and Makelele is in top ten... what about Emerson in Roma? I don't know how is he now, but he he used to be top class DM
And PSV captain van Bommel is good...
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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#50
I don't think Baraja would cut it in Serie A. Of the times I've seen him lately, the rate of good games to bad seems much too high.
 

Togon

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Nov 2, 2003
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#51
++ [ originally posted by John #10 ] ++
they are shit because they are not defensive. Xavi is better going forward, jus like the rest of the dms mentioned, e.g pirlo...come on he is a very good defensive midfielder, good creatively but defensivly pants.
IMO Emerson is the only player, who can be compared to Vieira, not in their style, but as a dm. I wont praise him, performance speaks for itself.

If someone says that Emerson is shit, cause he cannot defend, well what can I say... No words to describe the level of your football-blindness.

Just remeber how Roma midfield ate our whole team not so long ago.

If we had an Emerson, or even a Dacourt we would have conceded 50% less goal during the campionato, than we did. You think only the defenders and the keeper to blame or to hail if a team concedes many or few goals.

Nowadays Roma is so good, that even Emerson can join the attack, but I dont think he is worse just because he is scoring.

btw Pirlo is playing in a special position, he is more of a regista from the back, operating with his 40m long passes. He isnt defending great, but with ACM mids and defs they can afford it.

tgn
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#52
I think that the original quesiton was, "can you name any top class DM's who don't cards?" I still think that no one has named any.
 

Togon

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Nov 2, 2003
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#53
++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++
I think that the original quesiton was, "can you name any top class DM's who don't cards?" I still think that no one has named any.
- If I remember properly, you didnt write: emerson, dacourt... etc. are shit, couse they get too many cards. You wrote, that they are not real dm's and so on... I think we no need a better dm than Emerson, or even Dacourt. - Btw to find a good dm, who dont get card is as productive as finding a good striker who dont score goals. (Smith is your candidate if I remember well :D )
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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#54
++ [ originally posted by Togon ] ++
- If I remember properly, you didnt write: emerson, dacourt... etc. are shit, couse they get too many cards. You wrote, that they are not real dm's and so on... I think we no need a better dm than Emerson, or even Dacourt.
Dacourt isn't a quarter of the player Vieira is - I watched him for a number of years when he was at Leeds.
 

#10

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Jul 28, 2002
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#55
dacourt isnt newhere near as good as vieira....
If ur a real defensive dm, u will get cards, otherwise ur a chicken dm.

BTW a future world class dm can be found in benoit pedretti...classy dm, very similiar to de rossi. He would be great for us, the successor to deschamps :D

Seriously tho, he would be class for us, better than blasi thats for sure.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#56
++ [ originally posted by Togon ] ++ - If I remember properly, you didnt write: emerson, dacourt... etc. are shit, couse they get too many cards. You wrote, that they are not real dm's and so on... I think we no need a better dm than Emerson, or even Dacourt. - Btw to find a good dm, who dont get card is as productive as finding a good striker who dont score goals. (Smith is your candidate if I remember well :D )
I said that Emerson and Dacourt aren't at the level of Vieira or Keane. They don't get as many cards, but they don't play as well. I don't support DM's who don't get cards...
 

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