US Presidential Elections 2012 (2 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

They certainly ain't growing up and voting Republican, which is kind of the irony.

Actually not true 43%of Americans consider themselves conservative while only 15% liberal.

 

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[swag]

Actually not true 43%of Americans consider themselves conservative while only 15% liberal.

Of unaborted fetuses?

But conservative and liberal aren't labels that directly map to either party. Ask the Tea Party folks that one.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Of unaborted fetuses?

But conservative and liberal aren't labels that directly map to either party. Ask the Tea Party folks that one.

No obviously of non aborted babys

 

[swag]

No obviously of non aborted babys

Well, the point would be more the babies rescued from impending abortions: unwanted children that are put up with, handed to foster care or adoption, etc.

But again, we're not on the thread subject again really.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Well, the point would be more the babies rescued from impending abortions: unwanted children that are put up with, handed to foster care or adoption, etc.

But again, we're not on the thread subject again really.

True. Also in the end abortion right now is the least of America's problems. The economy is and Obamas economy is nonexistent

 

[swag]

I honestly believe that presidential politics has little direct impact on the economy. We like to believe that, and the political machine likes to sell us the idea that our vote really makes that much of a difference, but that's me.

GWB, Obama: same circus, different clowns.

 

[Kate]

I honestly believe that presidential politics has little direct impact on the economy. We like to believe that, and the political machine likes to sell us the idea that our vote really makes that much of a difference, but that's me.

GWB, Obama: same circus, different clowns.

That's my favourite saying nowadays.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I honestly believe that presidential politics has little direct impact on the economy. We like to believe that, and the political machine likes to sell us the idea that our vote really makes that much of a difference, but that's me.

GWB, Obama: same circus, different clowns.

I disagree. I will also rebut with this. People who say that GWB and Obama are the same. GWB 5% unemployment over 3% growth and 2.00 a gallon gas.
Obama over 8% unemployment 1% growth and 4.00 a gallon gas just for a quick comparison

 

[Maddy]

I disagree. I will also rebut with this. People who say that GWB and Obama are the same. GWB 5% unemployment over 3% growth and 2.00 a gallon gas.
Obama over 8% unemployment 1% growth and 4.00 a gallon gas just for a quick comparison

This is the strongest argument I've ever seen. Are you serious or are you trolling?

 

[swag]

Though I got to hand it to George W Bush, where if you believe in smaller government, start by being the first president to introduce to the White House's four-hour workweek.

Of course, that all changed when 9/11 happened...

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I disagree. I will also rebut with this. People who say that GWB and Obama are the same. GWB 5% unemployment over 3% growth and 2.00 a gallon gas.
Obama over 8% unemployment 1% growth and 4.00 a gallon gas just for a quick comparison

The only way a president can affect the global market for gas prices is if you're Hugo Chavez. But maybe you like dictatorships and one of the world's most un-free market economies?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

This is the strongest argument I've ever seen. Are you serious or are you trolling?

I'm serious and it's not an argument. I believe Bush made mistakes and spent way to much for a so called conservative. Yet if you compare it's nowhere near the same. Obama has added 6+ trillion of debt in 3.5 years that's more than all 8 years of bush combined

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Though I got to hand it to George W Bush, where if you believe in smaller government, start by being the first president to introduce to the White House's four-hour workweek.

Of course, that all changed when 9/11 happened...

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The only way a president can affect the global market for gas prices is if you're Hugo Chavez. But maybe you like dictatorships and one of the world's most un-free market economies?

That's bs! A president can open refineries and allow current ones to refine we have a shitload of refineries sitting idle in the US because of Obamas regulations. Last permits given were during bush administration

 

[swag]

I'm serious and it's not an argument. I believe Bush made mistakes and spent way to much for a so called conservative. Yet if you compare it's nowhere near the same. Obama has added 6+ trillion of debt in 3.5 years that's more than all 8 years of bush combined

So you're saying 5 trillion in debt and an 11% unemployment rate would be better? (Just an honest question -- that's not a direct but a likely tradeoff for any president.)

 

[Maddy]

I'm serious and it's not an argument. I believe Bush made mistakes and spent way to much for a so called conservative. Yet if you compare it's nowhere near the same. Obama has added 6+ trillion of debt in 3.5 years that's more than all 8 years of bush combined

You can't compare the two situations. You simply can't. USA isn't an isolated economy and therefore is affected by so much more than just what the President does. Your Gas-example is the most ludacris example I've ever seen to why an economy is going bad and I've seen quite few due to my little hobby.

 

[swag]

That's bs! A president can open refineries and allow current ones to refine we have a shitload of refineries sitting idle in the US because of Obamas regulations. Last permits given were during bush administration

Oil is a global resource. It's operated by global suppliers through global companies. You open more U.S.-based refineries, your multinational refineries here in the U.S. sell it to the highest bidder -- which would well be China, not the U.S. Said companies are typically traded on public stock markets and are loyal to their shareholders, regardless of their citizenship.

This is how a global economy works, yo. There's no concept of "domestic oil".

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So you're saying 5 trillion in debt and an 11% unemployment rate would be better? (Just an honest question -- that's not a direct but a likely tradeoff for any president.)

Not at all and that wouldn't happen. Romneys plans would be dramatically different their would be a 3% cut in corporate tax rates, a reversal of QE from the fed reserve just to start

 

[Enron]

You can't compare the two situations. You simply can't. USA isn't an isolated economy and therefore is affected by so much more than just what the President does. Your Gas-example is the most ludacris example I've ever seen to why an economy is going bad and I've seen quite few due to my little hobby.

Why don't you go do some research. Gas under Bush was 2 dollars. On January 17, 2009 it jumped to 4 dollars. Thanks to our social-sharia dictator and his apologetic policy toward the middle east. Oilbama is just putting cash in his cousin's pockets unlike Bush who was always a strong negotiator when it came to foreign oil imports, especially when working with the Saudis, Kuwaitis, etc.

 

[Maddy]

That's bs! A president can open refineries and allow current ones to refine we have a shitload of refineries sitting idle in the US because of Obamas regulations. Last permits given were during bush administration

Just wow. I thought you supported the free market? Do you think american oil is only for americans?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Just wow. I thought you supported the free market? Do you think american oil is only for americans?

No but I think there are things that the government can do to ease price at the pump here

 

[Martin]

No but I think there are things that the government can do to ease price at the pump here

Yeah, like subsidizing solar power.