US Presidential Elections 2012 (19 Viewers)

[Maddy]

Splitting the left's vote is fine if there are several leftist parties with different goals and approaches, I'm very much against streamlining politics into two camps. No matter how you look at it there's got to be more camps of opinions than two on any matter.

Indeed. The more plural system leaves a more nuanced political spectrum and gives people who have no political 'home' a better opportunity to find a home.

 

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[Nzoric]

2004 was an even bigger disgrace, really. I lost confidence that the electoral system worked or if I even belonged in this country.

Could still be the fear from 9/11 taking it's toll and people needing continual "leadership". I have no idea since I was not there, but that seems slightly plausibly in retrospect.

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Indeed. The more plural system leaves a more nuanced political spectrum and gives people who have no political 'home' a better opportunity to find a home.

Definitely. Say that the danish system was a twoparty system and I voted for the leftist of the two parties. Then the leftist party acts like SF did since they took power (took power might be a bit dramatic, but since they entered the government). I decide that this isn't for me anymore - what options would I have? Politically homeless or give the conservatives the vote? That would be terrible.

 

[Enron]

2004 was an even bigger disgrace, really. I lost confidence that the electoral system worked or if I even belonged in this country.

When they passed the Patriot Act. That was the same moment for me.

 

[Nzoric]

When they passed the Patriot Act. That was the same moment for me.

The thing I didn't understand about that was the lack of bodies on the streets. The popular backlash from that in "europe" (certain countries like England aside) would've been huge.

 

[Enron]

Could still be the fear from 9/11 taking it's toll and people needing continual "leadership". I have no idea since I was not there, but that seems slightly plausibly in retrospect.

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Definitely. Say that the danish system was a twoparty system and I voted for the leftist of the two parties. Then the leftist party acts like SF did since they took power (took power might be a bit dramatic, but since they entered the government). I decide that this isn't for me anymore - what options would I have? Politically homeless or give the conservatives the vote? That would be terrible.

2 party system isn't limited to 2 parties. You could join one of the smaller parties or be independent. Or do like dumb ass Ron Paul did and start a party within a party and have it taken over and run by r'tards.

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The thing I didn't understand about that was the lack of bodies on the streets. The popular backlash from that in "europe" (certain countries like England aside) would've been huge.

There wasn't much transparency during that period and half of Congress admitted to not reading it. But that's no excuse for committing the greatest act of treason in U.S. history.

 

[Nzoric]

2 party system isn't limited to 2 parties. You could join one of the smaller parties or be independent. Or do like dumb ass Ron Paul did and start a party within a party and have it taken over and run by r'tards.

And what's the actual chance of being influential that way? There's never been an independent president, the independents have two seats in the Senate and none in the House of Representatives at the moment. From where I'm standing it seems terribly void of significance. The libertarians seem to be growing and that's definitely a positive, but such a long way to go when they're not even represented in all the states yet.

edit: I'd also like to add the fact that both of the two big parties virtually have their own partisan national news and media channels, it seems impossible that anything is going to change through untouched political evolution - they've got the whole thing in a choke hold.

 

[swag]

When they passed the Patriot Act. That was the same moment for me.

Bad bad bad. And bipartisan too.

Makes you wonder if we should be suspicious of anything bipartisan.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So how's this election thing going?

 

[swag]

So how's this election thing going?

Disdainfully well.

For all the reasons to complain about the big, bad "The Media" boogeyman, the worst is the media's need for a daily soap opera to sell readership. Hostage situations, Olympic athletes at the games, etc.

Political elections become the de facto crutch by which all news media makes an easy target for daily updates. It's like nothing else were going on in the world besides two millionaires and their daily jockeying for your irrelevant vote.

 

[Kate]

Disdainfully well.

For all the reasons to complain about the big, bad "The Media" boogeyman, the worst is the media's need for a daily soap opera to sell readership. Hostage situations, Olympic athletes at the games, etc.

Political elections become the de facto crutch by which all news media makes an easy target for daily updates. It's like nothing else were going on in the world besides two millionaires and their daily jockeying for your irrelevant vote.

Interestingly, I went away with my aunt for a funeral this weekend to Cape Breton, and we asked how business had been at the hotel up there. She said that every election year, they see a massive loss in income from American tourists, as if they just won't leave the country while an election is going on.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Interestingly, I went away with my aunt for a funeral this weekend to Cape Breton, and we asked how business had been at the hotel up there. She said that every election year, they see a massive loss in income from American tourists, as if they just won't leave the country while an election is going on.

That's quite interesting.

 

[.zero]

Just for the record I'd like to state that I would still nail Palin

 

[Enron]

Disdainfully well.

For all the reasons to complain about the big, bad "The Media" boogeyman, the worst is the media's need for a daily soap opera to sell readership. Hostage situations, Olympic athletes at the games, etc.

Political elections become the de facto crutch by which all news media makes an easy target for daily updates. It's like nothing else were going on in the world besides two millionaires and their daily jockeying for your irrelevant vote.

I hate when politicians complain about the media. It's not like the media is hard on them. If you don't lie or say dumb shit you end up looking alright. Unfortunately most politicians do both and then complain about media bias.

Can't wait until the candidates start doing serious interviews where they have to name a few things from the platform, talk about an old lady they met, and answer the occasional "gotcha journalism" question. You know, like "What do you read"?

Or in the debates when the "moderator" asks party approved snow ball questions without holding the candidates responsible for any stance they've had, statements they've made, or related political thing they've done in the past. It's like, hey Mr Wolf Blitzer why the fuck are you here, we should just let each guy do a speech on a topic of his choosing and go the fuck home.

People who complain about "mainstream" media treating politicians unfairly are dolts. The media is a disgrace, if you can't make it through an election year without being portrayed in a negative light, then you're just not good enough.

 

[Trequartista]

Wolf Blitzer is a robot.

 

[Enron]

He does a job, but he's mayo and both sides like him so he gets to do debates.

 

[swag]

Just for the record I'd like to state that I would still nail Palin

To a cross.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[Trequartista]

 

[Kasaki]

 

[Brandmon]

A question for the Americans in here:

When you look at the political system you have over there, two major parties and a slim glue of independents and compare it to the "european model" - which one would you prefer? My idea of American politics might be skewed from a slight lack of in depth knowledge, but it seems that independents do have a hard time competing with the party candidates, especially considering the sums being invested in American campaigns (another point I really think someone should regulate in the states).

Which would you prefer?

There is a simple answer really. Americans love entertainment, drama and simple things. They don't like real choices, ideas and actual politics. With Bipartisan politics, Americans are given what they want in spades: the longest running comedy drama show on Earth. Other parties are literally treated like warts rather than an actual alternative - both by the system and by the majority.