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ReBeL

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Authorities must look to England if they want to rescue their national sport from the gutter. 'We have to learn from the English,' cry frustrated Italian commentators each time the face of calcio is scarred by an outbreak of violence. 'If they can solve their hooligan problem, why can't we?'
The similarities between Italy today and the violent dog days of the 1980s in England are striking: antiquated and dirty stadiums, no-go areas for police, inept sports authorities and dithering government ministers. But one key element makes the problem - and therefore any solution - different: the ultras

The ultras - the extreme - are the most diehard followers who proudly sport the tag as a sign of their loyalty, be it to big-name Serie A clubs or to semi-professional squads in Serie D. In the top division, Internazionale, Milan and Roma have the biggest groups of ultras, while the most violent tend to be from medium-size clubs, such as Catania and Livorno.

Most card-carrying members are in their late teens or twenties, but many are in their thirties and forties. Most are male. Each group occupies a strictly delineated area of the curva - kop - usually behind the goal, displaying flags that often boast names from 1970s political urban violence - Brigatte, Commandos - although few now have political allegiances. Most ultra groups are not hooligans, but many are. Some are run as profitable commercial enterprises, often led by capi - bosses - made up of middle-aged men for whom it is a full-time job.

The violent minority hide among the majority, but after Friday's killing of a policeman at the match involving Catania and Palermo - a crime for which the ultras are likely to be blamed - Renzo Uliviero, chairman of the Italian federation of coaches, said: 'There aren't just a few of them, there are many. They are organised. They go to the stadiums to attack the police. Until we accept that fact then we really won't get anywhere.'

Uliviero should know. He once had to face down an ultras invasion of one of his training sessions. Unlike British football, almost all Italian stadiums are owned by local authorities, prompting much buck-passing when things go wrong. Alarmingly, two thirds of Italian grounds fail to meet safety standards, but clubs obtain 'temporary' safety certificates on a weekly basis.

Italian club chairmen routinely condemn ultra excesses, but in private they collude with the capi, often using them as unofficial ticketing agencies for some of the biggest fixtures in European football. Some clubs collude through fear - ultras have been known to invade post-match changing rooms when results are bad.

Ultras traditionally raise funds from charging membership subscriptions, with larger groups producing branded merchandise and taking 'commission' on ticket sales. The key to the ultras is their organisation, which is what makes possible the wonderful match-day choreography that dwarfs anything seen in England. Giant banners and flags are prepared at ultras-run bars or social clubs. But the same organisation and hierarchy is also what makes large-scale violence possible.

Four Leeds fans were put in hospital with stab wounds on the club's last visit to Milan, in 2000. Local ultra leaders said that it took a couple of phone calls to put 50 of their people on the streets before the police knew what was going on. The 'punitive expedition' was in response to damage caused to an ultra bar.

Inside stadiums, where stewards are often ultra members, anyone entering the 'wrong' zone risks attack and groups following the same club sometimes clash. Last season, one group of Milan ultras was banned by the rest from the curva because of a disagreement over how to deal with Juventus ultras.

The curva is a no-go area for the Italian police, who are poorly trained. Most earn less than €2,000 (about £1,300) a month. The country's World Cup win last summer showed that on the pitch Italy has learnt the game better than its English inventors. But Friday's grotesque violence shows how it must also urgently learn from the English how to transform the game off the pitch, or this temporary shutdown may become permanent.

By Kevin Buckley in Milan
 

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ReBeL

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    According to the latest statistics, there are 74,000 recognised members of 445 'Ultra' groups of hardcore fans in Italy...

    Does anybody know anything about that Milan Ultra group that was mentioned in the article above??

    And can the Italian calcio decrease those Ultra groups or are they a part of the game itself??
     

    Badass J Elkann

    It's time to go!!
    Feb 12, 2006
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    What did they want to do regarding Juve??
    lol, they stole one of the drughi banners, so we did it back to them, then the drughi put on a stunt in which 1 would act as a policeman and arrest their leader, and force them to trade over the 2 banners, which caused such humiliation to them, they decided to disband
     

    JCK

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    May 11, 2004
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    lol, they stole one of the drughi banners, so we did it back to them, then the drughi put on a stunt in which 1 would act as a policeman and arrest their leader, and force them to trade over the 2 banners, which caused such humiliation to them, they decided to disband
    When you say we, who do you mean?
     

    soulslider

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    May 16, 2006
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    lol, they stole one of the drughi banners, so we did it back to them, then the drughi put on a stunt in which 1 would act as a policeman and arrest their leader, and force them to trade over the 2 banners, which caused such humiliation to them, they decided to disband

    it was a viking banner, and then the vikings stole their main Fossa banner
     
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    ReBeL

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    Do you know that many Italian grounds still have areas which are effectively self-policed by ultra organisations?? That influence was perhaps best portrayed by the mysterious events of the Rome derby in 2004 when ultra leaders came pitch-side to inform Francesco Totti, the Roma captain, that a young boy had been killed outside by police. The rumour was false but the game was abandoned. Around 200 police officers were injured during violence in the Italian capital that evening.
     

    JCK

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    Do you know that many Italian grounds still have areas which are effectively self-policed by ultra organisations?? That influence was perhaps best portrayed by the mysterious events of the Rome derby in 2004 when ultra leaders came pitch-side to inform Francesco Totti, the Roma captain, that a young boy had been killed outside by police. The rumour was false but the game was abandoned. Around 200 police officers were injured during violence in the Italian capital that evening.
    That's nothing, we have larger areas in Lebanon self policed by militias and refugees.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Part of the problem, according to Leicester University's Williams, is that many Italian stadiums are owned by the municipalities. That gives home fans little reason to care about the facilities, while clubs that share stadiums -- such as Inter and AC Milan's San Siro -- don't have the incentive to upgrade infrastructure.

    The government's new security rules include a ban on selling blocks of tickets to fans traveling to away matches, and ending ties between teams and fan clubs.

    Some teams finance radical fan groups, known as ``ultras,'' to travel to away games. Barcelona, the European club champion, stopped supporting such groups in 2003, a decision that prompted death threats against its president Joan Laporta.
     
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    ReBeL

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    John Williams, a sociologist at England's Leicester University and a researcher of fan culture, said Italy can no longer afford to bury its head in the sand after last Friday's mayhem in Sicily.

    "Hillsborough was the turning point for English football and now Italy has to face up to its responsibilities," Williams told AFP.

    "English stadiums were brought up-to-date and the fences and barriers came down.

    "Rome's Olympic stadium is regarded as one of Italy's most modern stadiums, but in England it wouldn't get a safety certificate.

    "Also in England there is a whole raft of legislation that specifically deals with football-related offences and the law is properly enforced.

    "The fans know that if they cause trouble the sanctions will be serious while in Italy the hooligans go unpunished and reoffend."

    Williams said Italy need a graded response policy like the one adopted in England, with stewards, security staff and police all playing a role in crowd control.

    "First of all you have highly-trained stewards to make sure fans are in their allocated seats and to keep an eye on the crowd," he said.

    "Then you have security staff to deal with low levels of incivility, and for the more serious problems the police step in.

    "In England matches are heavily micro-managed by stewards, but in Italy they do nothing
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    The Italian police have often been accused of being too extreme at football, either refusing to intervene when trouble flares or lashing out randomly.

    Williams believes Italian police officers need to rethink their approach if they are to improve their rapport with the fans.

    "Policing has to be more sensible," he said.

    "They have to look at their relationship with young people. In England the police have an informal relationship with the fans, while in Italy there's a distance. The police have become the enemy now."

    A fair share of the blame for Italy's failure to eradicate hooliganism lies at the door of the magistrates.

    A good example of this is the case of Matteo Saronni, an Inter Milan 'ultra', or hooligan, one of nine fans arrested for throwing a motorbike from the stands at the San Siro stadium in 2001.

    Despite endangering the lives of others, a judge allowed Saronni off with a warning while the club banned him for a year.

    Two years later he was arrested for throwing a missile at a match against Juventus but escaped punishment.

    And in 2005 he was arrested for throwing a flare at the abandoned Champions League match against AC Milan, but walked free after the jury gave a unanimous not guilty verdict
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    AFP
     

    AngelaL

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    Aug 25, 2006
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    Great post Rebel! I'd +rep but I have to spread the love!
    Perhaps you could e-mail it to Italy as a suggestion on how to help resolve the hooligan problem they have.
     

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