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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Italy is one country that’s for sure.

Barely any sense of national pride and the tricolore is only ever on display during NT games/World Cups etc or it’s mainly associated with far-right groups.
Didn't realise it was that bad. I feel like I see Italy flags everywhere but it's in subtle context like on products or restaurants, a scudetto or the like, like Italian products have a desirability. Not large displays of flags like Americans might do, for sure. You see more overt nationalism from Italians outside of Italy.

I guess it'll never really shift the regionalised mentality. You feel like at sporting events it's often commented on and pushed/heightened how Italians have to come together under the flag for the tournament or qualifiers, soon as that finishes it's over.
 

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Italy is one country that’s for sure.

Barely any sense of national pride and the tricolore is only ever on display during NT games/World Cups etc or it’s mainly associated with far-right groups.
I'm finding funny how today mostly everyone that put up national flags are marked as far right...or maybe it is just pride and nationalism, because leftists are fucking up everything in Europe with immigrants and rainbow people.
 

IliveForJuve

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Jan 17, 2011
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Italy is one country that’s for sure.

Barely any sense of national pride and the tricolore is only ever on display during NT games/World Cups etc or it’s mainly associated with far-right groups.
In my home city you will barely see a national Bolivian flag but there are loads of our regional flag. That is the only flag I truly feel represented by. Proud to be cruceño but not Bolivian.
 

JuveJay

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Do you think it's easier to identify with something smaller like a city or region than it is for a nation? Like a form of tribalism, e.g. supporting your local team?

If there is a strong local identity I think this often seems to be the case.
 

IliveForJuve

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Do you think it's easier to identify with something smaller like a city or region than it is for a nation? Like a form of tribalism, e.g. supporting your local team?

If there is a strong local identity I think this often seems to be the case.
100%. That identity is also way stronger if you come from a group that doesn't have autonomy or political power. E.g., Scots, the Welsh, Catalans, southern Italians etc.

Fuck centralism.
 

mjromeo81

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Do you think it's easier to identify with something smaller like a city or region than it is for a nation? Like a form of tribalism, e.g. supporting your local team?

If there is a strong local identity I think this often seems to be the case.
Yes, definitely.

The idea of a unified "Italy" is still relatively recent. For much of the population, regional identity remains stronger than national identity. People often see themselves as Roman, Napoletano, Abruzzese, Calabrese, and so on, rather than simply Italian. This is especially true in Italy, where there are distinct dialects, cuisines, and customs. There's so much cultural diversity across regions.
 

Badass J Elkann

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@JuveJay @IliveForJuve snd anybody else living in England - seen many flags about recently?

This trend doesn't seem to have reached North Yorkshire. We're too busy being on fire :anon:
You mean the St George's cross being painted on like every roundabout? - Yes
In terms of actual flags, no, seem to see more palestinian flags if anything which fucking annoys me tbh.

Funny how people feel offended to see the flag of this country being flown in public though, you just know they don't belong here.
 

Mokku

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My parents are immigrants and I was born in the UK. I'm not White, I'm a minority. My experience is that the English can't describe what English values are, I've debated this many times with people of all levels of intelligence. The UK produces nothing. It used to be synonymous with high quality and craftsmanship, but not anymore. What remains is a lazy people who want the free handouts, but that won't help people with the same loser mentality.

As generations have gone by, the minority groups have excelled and the natives hate it. So many Asians have become doctors and dentists in London, so many hold very well paid jobs in STEM-related fields. The research centre that I worked at as a PhD scientist was full of foreigners (lots of Italians, Greeks, some Arabs too), but the English White held the management positions. I am an award winning scientist, my CV is exceptional, but I was never taken as lecturer and it's 100% to keep White English in charge.

Anyway, nobody cares about England flags. I don't feel threatened by them or those waving them. It's a media spin that the UK is being overrun by immigrants, and "we need to take back our country". Like anywhere in the world, you get pockets of ethnicity where people are trying to set up their future and with that, crime, drugs, etc. Criminals come here fleeing whatever mess and you get people from war torn countries who need mental health support. However, you can go to an all White area and find the same trends. The thing about London is that immigrants have become successful and have gravitated towards the money.

I'm not saying all White English are like this, I've worked with some incredible individuals, particularly those who work for the Red Cross and risk their lives practicing in war torn regions. I have no problem working for a White English boss providing they have the same end goal. Hell, I don't even care if people look down at me because I know my value and my skills are undeniable.

The biggest problem with the UK is the pathetic governance. Lying, scandals, cheating, robbing, and then using the media to blame everyone else for this sinking country. They pushed the Brexit narrative and it only put these shitbags in a worse position whereas the more capable people managed to survive and even benefit.

At the end of the day, I really don't care about if the EDL and Reform want me out because if they had to, they'd think twice because of my contribution to the country. I'm raising my kids to be high value members of society too. My wife is a clinical psychologist too, we're helping the country and we're not afraid to step to people who think they can do better than us. I can't hate the UK, I'm a product of it's systems and I've done well. I just wish these Tommy Robinson types really took the opportunities given to them and made something of themselves. If you follow any path here and put in effort, you can almost never fail. There are people who can barely speak English but have secured their future generations with a only a little corner shop. I just got back from the UAE and meetings with universities and hospitals. They are bringing in the best from all around the world so that they can excel in medicine and you can see in Dubai and Abu Dhabi how quickly they've developed. The English aren't like that, they want it handed on a plate.

Sorry if I offended anyone, that's from my perspective. My parents taught me to do double what my competitors can do because we're going to be deducted points for not being White and I've seen that throughout my adult life.
 

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