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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Well I’ve seen many situations here which made me feel unsafe so that equals things out
Is that something you tend to attract in life?

I'm not being funny about that or trying to troll you.

Let me give you an example, I once made a friend in Michigan USA who feels he needs to be armed at all times. So much so, that when a European family was staying nearby and offered to host him for dinner, they laid down a ground rule of "no guns in the house". It was like he was asked to come naked. He managed to get over his fear and do it. But his brain is always on threat-alert and trying to save his family from imagined attackers... and they're not ambassadors or anything. They are just a normal suburban family. It's intense.

My point is that past experience and/or bias towards hostile exchanges can often prime your experience to feel everyone is out for you too.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,348
Is that something you tend to attract in life?

I'm not being funny about that or trying to troll you.

Let me give you an example, I once made a friend in Michigan USA who feels he needs to be armed at all times. So much so, that when a European family was staying nearby and offered to host him for dinner, they laid down a ground rule of "no guns in the house". It was like he was asked to come naked. He managed to get over his fear and do it. But his brain is always on threat-alert and trying to save his family from imagined attackers... and they're not ambassadors or anything. They are just a normal suburban family. It's intense.

My point is that past experience and/or bias towards hostile exchanges can often prime your experience to feel everyone is out for you too.
Agreed.

Part of it is also being abroad. Because you're not in your home country, you're more anxious and things appear more dangerous than they are. It's really stupid, but the only time in my life I was actually scared I might get killed was when I was at a campground in Montana. There was just no one there, apart from people who clearly looked like they had never been outside Montana. I felt like I was intruding and there would be some form of punishment. Nothing happened of course.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Is that something you tend to attract in life?

I'm not being funny about that or trying to troll you.

Let me give you an example, I once made a friend in Michigan USA who feels he needs to be armed at all times. So much so, that when a European family was staying nearby and offered to host him for dinner, they laid down a ground rule of "no guns in the house". It was like he was asked to come naked. He managed to get over his fear and do it. But his brain is always on threat-alert and trying to save his family from imagined attackers... and they're not ambassadors or anything. They are just a normal suburban family. It's intense.

My point is that past experience and/or bias towards hostile exchanges can often prime your experience to feel everyone is out for you too.
No honestly I was joking but meantime quite literally referring to demonstrations. I was in France when those yellow vests demonstrations broke out. It was horrible and it took me hours extra on the highway, hence why I said they burn the city when the weatherman makes a mistake. Poor weatherman

UK may be following the same route
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Agreed.

Part of it is also being abroad. Because you're not in your home country, you're more anxious and things appear more dangerous than they are. It's really stupid, but the only time in my life I was actually scared I might get killed was when I was at a campground in Montana. There was just no one there, apart from people who clearly looked like they had never been outside Montana. I felt like I was intruding and there would be some form of punishment. Nothing happened of course.
There was a post online I saw a couple weeks ago about a white woman who cluelessly got a beach vacation suggestion from a travel agent to check out India.

My Desis will know how this goes, because it's a common story. She got surrounded by locals who stared at her and she freaked the crap out, felt like she was going to be assaulted, and hid in her hotel the whole time. Posted on social media wither her crying and hyperventilating like she was about to be gang raped.

Yes, there are occasional assaults in India. But even this 198cm-tall white dude has been surrounded by a couple hundred short brown men the minute he stepped off the Rajiv Chowk subway station near Connaught Place. Now I'm not a woman, and I could see how it would feel threatening. But regardless of my height and gender, I've been mentally programmed to think that was a very dangerous situation. But I soon realized they were just curious and friendly. People were helpful. It was a weird thing because I had to check all my negative biases about what was going on.

Self-preservation is a good thing. But it's easy to trigger false alarms.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,795
No honestly I was joking but meantime quite literally referring to demonstrations. I was in France when those yellow vests demonstrations broke out. It was horrible and it took me hours extra on the highway, hence why I said they burn the city when the weatherman makes a mistake. Poor weatherman

UK may be following the same route
Right before Covid hit, I was in Place de la République where firemen were protesting, and bombs and fires were going off, to protest firefighter work conditons.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/french-firefighters-set-alight-start-fighting-police-12139804/

It was firefighters, so you couldn't think it would be too dangerous. But the bombs going off and the riot police suggested otherwise.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,511
She's wrong on two counts;

- Britain isn't the slightest bit dusty. Far too wet.
- Everyone know America won WWII

She was spot on most things lol, hilarious delivery too. Think she is just giving credit to the millions of colonial forces that fought for Britain, that barely get any mention in history.

WWII was won due to Soviet stretching out Nazi forces invading during winter and decimating them, and the Soviet counter attack being insanely draining.

And the Nazis miscalculated with North Africa campaign and lost that scene (also they were let down by italians). Resources became too thin when they expected quick campaign vs weaker allied forces.


The Americans joined and gave the killing blow (most focus on D day, but the clutchness was asia campaign which allied forces couldnt handle), with support logistically and massive military action, but Nazis were growing weaker still due to insane volume of ferocious Soviet warfare. Who had little to no regard for their soldiers lives.

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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She was spot on most things lol, hilarious delivery too. Think she is just giving credit to the millions of colonial forces that fought for Britain, that barely get any mention in history.

WWII was won due to Soviet stretching out Nazi forces invading during winter and decimating them, and the Soviet counter attack being insanely draining.

And the Nazis miscalculated with North Africa campaign and lost that scene (also they were let down by italians). Resources became too thin when they expected quick campaign vs weaker allied forces.


The Americans joined and gave the killing blow (most focus on D day, but the clutchness was asia campaign which allied forces couldnt handle), with support logistically and massive military action, but Nazis were growing weaker still due to insane volume of ferocious Soviet warfare. Who had little to no regard for their soldiers lives.
It's disingenuous to say that colonial forces don't get mentioned, they get significant recognition during parades such as trooping the colour. I know in particular the Sikh soldiers role in the war is highly respected. The point she is making is that these troglodytes have forgotten those things or are too stupid to recognise it.
Ultimately, the average person of any country doesn't have knowledge of every role different people played in an event 80 or 100 years ago.

It should also be noted that India came out of WW2 in a strong position, and a soon to be independent nation. Whilst Britain gets crucified for its imperial role, it literally gave everything to defend against the Nazis, and emerged in a very poor state.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
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Aug 27, 2008
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It's disingenuous to say that colonial forces don't get mentioned, they get significant recognition during parades such as trooping the colour. I know in particular the Sikh soldiers role in the war is highly respected. The point she is making is that these troglodytes have forgotten those things or are too stupid to recognise it.
Ultimately, the average person of any country doesn't have knowledge of every role different people played in an event 80 or 100 years ago.

It should also be noted that India came out of WW2 in a strong position, and a soon to be independent nation. Whilst Britain gets crucified for its imperial role, it literally gave everything to defend against the Nazis, and emerged in a very poor state.
I've met a handful of university educated folks here who either have no idea or have conveniently forgotten it as well. Things like my family owned a reserve in <insert african country here> and now we don't, while making comments like "no idea how this Indian guy made VP" and my personal favourite "you are one of the good ones."
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,511
It's disingenuous to say that colonial forces don't get mentioned, they get significant recognition during parades such as trooping the colour. I know in particular the Sikh soldiers role in the war is highly respected. The point she is making is that these troglodytes have forgotten those things or are too stupid to recognise it.
Ultimately, the average person of any country doesn't have knowledge of every role different people played in an event 80 or 100 years ago.

It should also be noted that India came out of WW2 in a strong position, and a soon to be independent nation. Whilst Britain gets crucified for its imperial role, it literally gave everything to defend against the Nazis, and emerged in a very poor state.

The bolded part is what I meant. It's not that common knowledge to general public at all, that numbnuts like these can ignore it more. Sikhs and current day Nepalese Gurkhas gets mentionned in Brittish arm forces (natural warrior cultures).

But generally that kinda contribution is seen like a footnote, the service forgotten or ignored over time, white washed at times (the types to act like any indian they meet now is fresh off the boat, or anyone highly educated the rare exceptionally brittish one). But not that surprising, minorities in armies tend get overshadowed in colonial times (tho 1m strong is hardly small minority). Similar with black/Asian soldiers in the US army during that time.


Britain was completely devastated in WW2 and had a great stand against the Nazis. But I wouldn't think India are that grateful for leaving them at strong position. Churchill starved them to death, used up their resources, then had million of them as soldiers in his commonwealth army. The least to do at that point was give long awaited independency.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I've met a handful of university educated folks here who either have no idea or have conveniently forgotten it as well. Things like my family owned a reserve in <insert african country here> and now we don't, while making comments like "no idea how this Indian guy made VP" and my personal favourite "you are one of the good ones."
Yeah you'll get that sort of thing as well in the upper classes, they move in such closed circles they probably have no idea what is even going on in the inner cities. Racist by pure ignorance and inconvenience, even if they might otherwise mean well. I know one or two people like that but it's not people I'd usually associate with. They probably think I'm an undesirable.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,348
There was a post online I saw a couple weeks ago about a white woman who cluelessly got a beach vacation suggestion from a travel agent to check out India.

My Desis will know how this goes, because it's a common story. She got surrounded by locals who stared at her and she freaked the crap out, felt like she was going to be assaulted, and hid in her hotel the whole time. Posted on social media wither her crying and hyperventilating like she was about to be gang raped.

Yes, there are occasional assaults in India. But even this 198cm-tall white dude has been surrounded by a couple hundred short brown men the minute he stepped off the Rajiv Chowk subway station near Connaught Place. Now I'm not a woman, and I could see how it would feel threatening. But regardless of my height and gender, I've been mentally programmed to think that was a very dangerous situation. But I soon realized they were just curious and friendly. People were helpful. It was a weird thing because I had to check all my negative biases about what was going on.

Self-preservation is a good thing. But it's easy to trigger false alarms.
It is and in the case of India it's even easier because some cultural habits are so far removed from what we are used to.

It works the other way around as well. For example Western Europeans have no problem making eye contact with strangers and in some cultures this is perceived as quite aggressive.
 

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