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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Don't xenophobes basically hate all Johnny Foreigners?

It's allways funny to me how the perspectives can be so different. In school at young age, end of class years of the subject, we used to watch movies or reports showing the late 1800s to early 1900s big wave of European immigration to America, the poorest of the poor.

Starving Germans, Scandinavians, Irish, Italians refugees so and so on. And each of them especially when group together in same working class neighbourhoods (italians and irish), facing massive amount of discrimination and xenophobia from Americans. Or even immigrants that assimilated just a decade before them.

Same exact nationalities who gave the same type of harsh treatment to immigrants or just any minority groups in their old countries. Circle of life kinda moment watching that as a young child.


Everyone needs an Other to blame. Doesn't matter who.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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It's allways funny to me how the perspectives can be so different. In school at young age, end of class years of the subject, we used to watch movies or reports showing the late 1800s to early 1900s big wave of European immigration to America, the poorest of the poor.

Starving Germans, Scandinavians, Irish, Italians refugees so and so on. And each of them especially when group together in same working class neighbourhoods (italians and irish), facing massive amount of discrimination and xenophobia from Americans. Or even immigrants that assimilated just a decade before them.

Same exact nationalities who gave the same type of harsh treatment to immigrants or just any minority groups in their old countries. Circle of life kinda moment watching that as a young child.


Everyone needs an Other to blame. Doesn't matter who.
At primary school when it came to history I only remember learning about the Vikings, Romans and Normans, at least what stuck with me, so maybe we're subconsciously thinking about invaders lol.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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Don't xenophobes basically hate all Johnny Foreigners?
I guess so but I'm probably low on the hate list:

1. Arabs and Muslims
2. Indians, Pakistanis and other SE Asians.
3. Africans
4. Eastern Europeans
5. Latin Americans
6. Foreign western Europeans

Africans could be less hated than Eastern Europeans but I'm not sure.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,511
Very much indifferent tbh. I'm not one of "those immigrants". Sure, this place doesn't feel like home but I don't feel unwelcome either but I'm London so half the city isn't even British.

My first time visiting London as a kid in 90s, we spent the entire first day in down town central London, without hearing any English spoken. Heard Spanish, French, Italian, Arabic, Greek, Hindu etc. Apparently my father was amused by my confusion when I asked when are we visiting an English city lol


Shortly after we went to Leicester @JuveJay , and I wished I was back in the confusing cosmopolitan tourism melting pot within an hour lol
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I guess so but I'm probably low on the hate list:

1. Arabs and Muslims
2. Indians
3. Africans
4. Eastern Europeans
5. Latin Americans
6. Foreign western Europeans

Africans could be less hated than Eastern Europeans but I'm not sure.
Imo Indians would be way lower due to integration. From my experience no one cares about Latin Americans, but maybe it's different in London.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,511
At primary school when it came to history I only remember learning about the Vikings, Romans and Normans, at least what stuck with me, so maybe we're subconsciously thinking about invaders lol.

Hahah yeah that makes perfect sense actually. While I recall any first mention of Vikings in primary or middle school history class here in Sweden was like "naughty seafaring traders who sometimes took more then that was owed them" :p:D


Tho the earliest Europe immigration wave to the americas was not in the history class. More of social studies I think.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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My first time visiting London as a kid in 90s, we spent the entire first day in down town central London, without hearing any English spoken. Heard Spanish, French, Italian, Arabic, Greek, Hindu etc. Apparently my father was amused by my confusion when I asked when are we visiting an English city lol


Shortly after we went to Leicester @JuveJay , and I wished I was back in the confusing cosmopolitan tourism melting pot within an hour lol
I think a lot of cities are like that now. If I walk around my home town Coventry and go to the city centre I can walk around for 15 minutes and not hear English spoken. Or if it is it's some tramp asking for change. That wasn't the case 20 years ago. There are so many students and defo a large influx of immigrants.

I probably notice it more in my little white village I live now, but you see the change more from a distance as well.
 
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I think a lot of cities are like that now. If I walk around my home town Coventry and go to the city centre I can walk around for 15 minutes and not hear English spoken. Or if it is it's some tramp asking for change. That wasn't the case 20 years ago. There are so many students and defo a large influx of immigrants.

I probably notice it more in my little white village I live now, but you see the change more from a distance as well.
So any specific feelings about that?
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,511
I live in a big renowned Uni town. Like clockwork, every end to summer to around winter, I notice more nonstop English being spoken in my commute to work.

Not even about the usual immigration, but for my town it's the influx of international foreign students for the Uni. They stand out more cuz unlike the ethnic swedes or most immigrants who over time gotten the nordic social cues of you avoid eye contact or be more subdued demeanor in collective traffic lol

The usually colourful Anglo or western foreign students instead travel in groups and noticeably stand out when they loudly socialise in English. Also my fault for moving into neighbourhood filled with students lol
 

IliveForJuve

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Jan 17, 2011
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Imo Indians would be way lower due to integration. From my experience no one cares about Latin Americans, but maybe it's different in London.
Yeah, no one cares about Latin Americans but I had to put us somewhere. Maybe on par with other Western Europeans.

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I live in a big renowned Uni town. Like clockwork, every end to summer to around winter, I notice more nonstop English being spoken in my commute to work.

Not even about the usual immigration, but for my town it's the influx of international foreign students for the Uni. They stand out more cuz unlike the ethnic swedes or most immigrants who over time gotten the nordic social cues of you avoid eye contact or be more subdued demeanor in collective traffic lol

The usually colourful Anglo or western foreign students instead travel in groups and noticeably stand out when they loudly socialise in English. Also my fault for moving into neighbourhood filled with students lol
Of course it was a coincidence and you didn't do it for the 18 year olds.
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
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I guess so but I'm probably low on the hate list:

1. Arabs and Muslims
2. Indians, Pakistanis and other SE Asians.
3. Africans
4. Eastern Europeans
5. Latin Americans
6. Foreign western Europeans

Africans could be less hated than Eastern Europeans but I'm not sure.
Travellers imo are number one. As a group they aren't as visible due to not integrating, but people start foaming at the mouth as soon as they get mentioned.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Social media misinformation campaign riled up the far right extremist diots (English Defence League) that the psychotic child murderer was Muslim that came from nearby local mosque, alluding to it like it was coordinated terrorism or such. Police and authorities told them that's false.


But they went on rampage and clashed with police to attack the local mosque close to where that clip is taken from. Injured several cops, partly damaged the mosque and police vehicles etc.


This day and age of post Covid rampant disinformation having much easier spread, means crazy shit like this will keep happening, different types of extremists will see heinous tragedies as opportunity to push their agendas. More and more growing into be fact resistant society on global scale:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...tack-suspect-social-media-conspiracy-theories

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I never been to England when it's really warm weather.


So that partly explains why English people have such horrid reputation in tropical vacation spots.

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I don't even think that clown is Romanian. Think is Azerbaijan or Armenian.


Whichever doesn't matter, his lack of brain cells is his issue, not his nations.
Im not a xenophobe. Im only against muslims and africans. West needs to close their border to all non democtatic countries in general.
 

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