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.zero

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Perhaps that too. I'm not against reform at this point. I just have a feeling that the Federation as a whole (including the end product i.e. senior team, academies, pipelines) is not where it should be in terms of progress (not results) from 10 years ago before we embarked to Germany.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Not broken up about the result but really want Klinsmann to be removed. Gulati needs to sack up and do the right thing for the Federation.
Perhaps that too. I'm not against reform at this point. I just have a feeling that the Federation as a whole (including the end product i.e. senior team, academies, pipelines) is not where it should be in terms of progress (not results) from 10 years ago before we embarked to Germany.
I don't know. It's hard to blame Klinsmann for the lack of talent. You look at fools like Bradley who came back to MLS and then suddenly fell below potential, then the inability to nature homegrown talent, and you have to say it's just completely backwards here. Never thought I would say this, but the MLS may be hindering our progress. I didn't think our best players would flock to the MLS; instead, my vision was the MLS would be a stepping stone for some, who would then go elsewhere. But now it's like the Prem for US players, which is disastrous. Throw in the overall lack of talent and we have real problems, those that can't be solved by anybody let alone Jurgen. The change will have to be led at the grassroots where the same old American garbage sports mentality needs reform. My hope is that asinine sports like baseball go away eventually.

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Where's Wandogol?
Here's right there, blending in on the sucker pitch.

Juventino[RUS];5291478 said:
What a time to be alive - americans are consider the fact that their squad played in the semi-final of the whole continent tournament as a fail
It wasn't all that bad over all. But that was a shameful performance at home.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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I don't know. It's hard to blame Klinsmann for the lack of talent. You look at fools like Bradley who came back to MLS and then suddenly fell below potential, then the inability to nature homegrown talent, and you have to say it's just completely backwards here. Never thought I would say this, but the MLS may be hindering our progress. I didn't think our best players would flock to the MLS; instead, my vision was the MLS would be a stepping stone for some, who would then go elsewhere. But now it's like the Prem for US players, which is disastrous. Throw in the overall lack of talent and we have real problems, those that can't be solved by anybody let alone Jurgen. The change will have to be led at the grassroots where the same old American garbage sports mentality needs reform. My hope is that asinine sports like baseball go away eventually.



Here's right there, blending in on the sucker pitch.



It wasn't all that bad over all. But that was a shameful performance at home.
Despite being on a lower level than the MLS, I feel the A League has done the same. Instead of players sticking it out in the European leagues they can come back here and get a decent wage and never really take their game to the next level. They stagnate.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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The next World Cup is where I will really judge him, that'll be when he'll have to use all the young players that he brought in and had a hand in developing since coming here. We look so much better defensively now thanks to Brooks and Yedlin, lets see what the next two years brings us.
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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Despite being on a lower level than the MLS, I feel the A League has done the same. Instead of players sticking it out in the European leagues they can come back here and get a decent wage and never really take their game to the next level. They stagnate.
:agree:

And China too. The big money on offer from these cashed up Chinese teams is a problem for us too at the moment. We have good young players leaving decent clubs in Europe for the easy and quick cash in these shit leagues.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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Klinsman is the best thing to happen to US soccer in recent history. Idk wtf Dru is going on about with the constant bashing but the guy has been doing great work with the tools he has. And the best part is his project of integrating youth teams into the National program. We will find no one else with his ideas, abilities, and desire to make US soccer prosper.

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The next World Cup is where I will really judge him, that'll be when he'll have to use all the young players that he brought in and had a hand in developing since coming here. We look so much better defensively now thanks to Brooks and Yedlin, lets see what the next two years brings us.
I say stick with him even if we're only slightly better. The goal is not to win the World Cup in Russia. The goal is to make us consistent long-term challengers.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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Klinsman is the best thing to happen to US soccer in recent history.
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Sorry, but I disagree. Landon Donovan is the best thing to happen to U.S. Soccer in recent history.

I'm not expecting him to win us silverware or anything extraordinary but in no regard has the senior team met the reasonable expectations set. U.S. Soccer holistically is no better today than it was when he joined in 2011.

FIFA World Rankings
Late May 2010: USA #14
Mid-July 2010: USA #13
Dec-2011: USA #34 >>> Klinsmann appointed in Spring of 2011
Dec-2012: USA #28
Dec-2013: USA #14
Dec-2014: USA #27
Dec-2015: USA #32
June-2016: USA #31

Although this is a single data point, one can see that not much progress has been made in the end result. The federation never needed Klinsmann to come in to setup youth pipelines or staff scouts with a good eye for talent. At the end of the day we are not better off w/ his addition. I truly hope our academies and pipelines do allure, secure, develop and deliver prime talent which translates to the senior squad eventually. But we don't need Klinsmann to make that happen since he can't get past calling up Becks, Zusi, and Wondo. This is what you get when you bring an Interista. The joke is on the U.S.

And now I'm glad to see that he's rumored to take over for Koeman at Southampton.
 

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