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[Alen]

But even if you feel like you're from Alderaan, Alen, you're still Croatian. There is no such thing as Alderaani citizenship, and neither are there Martian Croatian nationalities.

That was just a silly example. In reality we're talking about real countries and nations that exist.

For you in America it's easy because you found a perfect solution. You're all Americans.
But what about a Kurd? He's a Kurd, born and raised in Turkey. Turkey doesn't want the Kurds and they'd rather terminate them all. Kurds don't have their own country. How should that guy feel?

 

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[Bjerknes]

Ah well, the hypocrisy is as plain as day

I agree with everything you said in the last few pages except calling Rossi a traitor in case he chose Italian NT in spite of feeling like an American. I mean, who are we to decide whether Rossi was right or wrong? It is his life and he decided to play for Italy. Even if he had said that he feels like an American, choosing Italian NT over the American one doesn't make him a traitor. Even if he chose Italy because he thought it would help his career more (since Italy are a bigger team ) it is all right in my book. It's actually more or less the life story of almost all immigrants. They immigrate to have better opportunities to live or to work. Are they traitors to the country the were born and in many cases raised in?

Your post is based on bullshit. Playing for the Azzurri would only help his career in terms of getting a job at stupid clubs like Juventus who buy players just because they're Italian internationals.

In the real world, if Rossi was good, it wouldn't matter what nationality he was. He'd stand as much of a chance playing for a top club being American.

This is just more stupid "shit don't stink" Azzurri propaganda, more reason to hate that team and its group of leachfuck supporters.

 

[Bjerknes]

That was just a silly example. In reality we're talking about real countries and nations that exist.

For you in America it's easy because you found a perfect solution. You're all Americans.
But what about a Kurd? He's a Kurd, born and raised in Turkey. Turkey doesn't want the Kurds and they'd rather terminate them all. Kurds don't have their own country. How should that guy feel?

Pissed, of course.

But he can't call himself something that he's not.

 

[Fred]

Ah well, the hypocrisy is as plain as day

I agree with everything you said in the last few pages except calling Rossi a traitor in case he chose Italian NT in spite of feeling like an American. I mean, who are we to decide whether Rossi was right or wrong? It is his life and he decided to play for Italy. Even if he had said that he feels like an American, choosing Italian NT over the American one doesn't make him a traitor. Even if he chose Italy because he thought it would help his career more (since Italy are a bigger team ) it is all right in my book. It's actually more or less the life story of almost all immigrants. They immigrate to have better opportunities to live or to work. Are they traitors to the country the were born and in many cases raised in?

I put more blame on country's giving out citizenship easily than on the individuals(immigrants) themselves.

 

[Bjerknes]

G Rossi must be a confused individual's hero.

 

[Alen]

Pissed, of course.

But he can't call himself something that he's not.

And can you feel being both X and Y?

The gipsies for example. They don't have a state but they have their own culture and language. Can they feel both Gipsy and Romanian/Hungarian/Any country they live in?

 

[king Ale]

Your post is based on bullshit. Playing for the Azzurri would only help his career in terms of getting a job at stupid clubs like Juventus who buy players just because they're Italian internationals.

In the real world, if Rossi was good, it wouldn't matter what nationality he was. He'd stand as much of a chance playing for a top club being American.

This is just more stupid "shit don't stink" Azzurri propaganda, more reason to hate that team and its group of leachfuck supporters.

 

[Bjerknes]

And can you feel being both X and Y?

The gipsies for example. They don't have a state but they have their own culture and language. Can they feel both Gipsy and Romanian/Hungarian/Any country they live in?

I'm sure one could. This is an issue with minority groups that are oppressed. But at the same time, they are still Romanian citizens. Nothing changes that unless they opt to relinquish their citizenship.

But this has nothing to do with Rossi.


By the way, there is outrage from the right about how a Muslim American serial killer is referred to as an Israeli, even though he is an Israeli national.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2578...gal-alien-police-hid-mid-eastern-description/

 

[Bjerknes]

But I won't hate you personally, though.

 

[Fred]

I'm sure one could. This is an issue with minority groups that are oppressed. But at the same time, they are still Romanian citizens. Nothing changes that unless they opt to relinquish their citizenship.

But this has nothing to do with Rossi.


By the way, there is outrage from the right about how a Muslim American serial killer is referred to as an Israeli, even though he is an Israeli national.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2578...gal-alien-police-hid-mid-eastern-description/

Yet you insist on me not being Libyan despite the fact that i only have a Libyan passport

 

[Bjerknes]

Yet you insist on me not being Libyan despite the fact that i only have a Libyan passport

I only insisted that you're not FROM Libya.

And you aren't FROM Libya because you've never lived there.

But since you have a Libyan passport, then yes, I guess you're Libyan.

 

[Fred]

I only insisted that you're not FROM Libya.

And you aren't FROM Libya because you've never lived there.

But since you have a Libyan passport, then yes, I guess you're Libyan.

Am i missing something here or are these two statements contradictory?

 

[Enron]

Ah well, the hypocrisy is as plain as day

I agree with everything you said in the last few pages except calling Rossi a traitor in case he chose Italian NT in spite of feeling like an American. I mean, who are we to decide whether Rossi was right or wrong? It is his life and he decided to play for Italy. Even if he had said that he feels like an American, choosing Italian NT over the American one doesn't make him a traitor. Even if he chose Italy because he thought it would help his career more (since Italy are a bigger team ) it is all right in my book. It's actually more or less the life story of almost all immigrants. They immigrate to have better opportunities to live or to work. Are they traitors to the country the were born and in many cases raised in?

So you can't understand how Rossi saying "I'm proud to be an American, but I'm too good for your soccer team" is insulting to some people? Rossi can do whatever he wants, but Americans can be pissed about his decision. They can even call him a traitor if they want.

And pointing out hypocrisy doesn't really add to your point when you consider there isn't a single poster here that isn't some form of hypocrite.

 

[Bjerknes]

Am i missing something here or are these two statements contradictory?

How on Earth are you from a place in which you've never lived?

I don't think Libya should grant citizenship to people who have never lived in the country.

 

[X Æ A-12]

What if he goes there and fathers a child?

Sending him home would be cruel.

 

[Rollie]

Reading the last couple pages of this thread just gave me a headache.

 

[Enron]

It's the same old stuff. Everyone is too close-minded to accept each other's opinions even though they may not agree on the issue.

 

[Bjerknes]

One thing is for sure, Rossi will forever be a traitor to US Soccer. That's good enough for me.

 

[Rollie]

It's the same old stuff. Everyone is too close-minded to accept each other's opinions even though they may not agree on the issue.

Totally agree buddy. There's a whole lot of personal interpretation, and arguing over semantics...

Of course Americans are pissed about Rossi. The Scots have reason to be pissed about Holden. We Canadians are pissed about Hargreaves. That's the way it is, it's the fan's prerogative to be pissed. Bitch if you wanna bitch, criticize if you wanna criticize.

But if someone holds a country's citizenship, it's all fair game - those are the rules, better to just accept them and move on. Save the energy for a more worthwhile cause...

Fred, of course you're Libyan, and if you feel like you're 'from' Libya because your entire family/heritage etc. is rooted there, then brother, that's where you're from.

It simply doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

One thing is for sure, Rossi will forever be a traitor to US Soccer. That's good enough for me.

That's certainly a fair opinion, Andy.

 

[Bjerknes]

Can I say that I'm from Poland because my grandmother's parents were from there?