Turin move beckons for Squillaci (1 Viewer)

delpiero10

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Apr 5, 2004
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#42
++ [ originally posted by Andre 3000 ] ++


Oh, I didn't forget them. One of them is always injured and the other one is a joke. And neither one whould be worthy of wearing a first team shirt on defence.
Just wait and see, Legrottaglie has only been here one season, and Montero, Iuliano, and Ferrara has been even worse. I guess a Pitbull dog would have done the same job as Montero has done for us in some matches.
I believe Legro will be good next season, and if Tudor is given the chance and placed in central defence, he can be good too.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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#43
++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++


Just wait and see, Legrottaglie has only been here one season, and Montero, Iuliano, and Ferrara has been even worse. I guess a Pitbull dog would have done the same job as Montero has done for us in some matches.
I believe Legro will be good next season, and if Tudor is given the chance and placed in central defence, he can be good too.

Legro is going to be 28 years old.


Even IF, and that's an astronimically HUGE if, he's going to be good next year, he is not a defender that can be part of the foundation for the future. What he will be, in other words, is an expensive stop-gap. I'm tired of that mentality. Bite the bullet for a year, get yourself a young defensive core, instead of replacing old with old, or old with mediocre, suffer for another year, if need be, and THEN have a true defensive line that you can count on for at least 5 years.

I don't mind losing like this if it is done the right way, by building a foundation for a future dynasty. But when Juve is doing what they are doing, and have obviously no clear plan for the future. Quick, name someone who is 21 or younger that Juve can count on to be their star of the future. Can't think of one?? Exactly, they have none.


Milan has Kaka
Roma has Cassano
Even Inter, INTER, has Adriano.


Who does Juve have?????



Maresca?, Yeah, he's good, but he's also at least a couple of years older than the other 3, and he isn't as good.



See my point?? Some people might be happy with winning a scudetto every year or evey other year and make a legitimate run in the Cl ionce in a while with a patchwork lineup of overachievers who happen to have career years at the right time, but not me. I would rather that they suck for a year or two, but at least have all the pieces in place to create a long lasting dynasty. Sorry if I want to shoot for the moon, but somebody has to set higher goals for this team
 

delpiero10

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Apr 5, 2004
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#44
You are blinded, Juve thinks about the future, they have probably already signed Ferrari, Bonera and Gilardino!!!. You say Milan has Kaka and Roma has Cassano, well soon Juve have Gilardino! sounds exactly as good in my ears!. And you should show some respect and faith in what Juve are doing, Moggi and co. are the best in the world when it comes to buyings and strategy, economy and so on. Juve have won 27 Scudettos! and they will continue in that supreme way, you just wait and see......!
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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#45
++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++
You are blinded, Juve thinks about the future, they have probably already signed Ferrari, Bonera and Gilardino!!!. You say Milan has Kaka and Roma has Cassano, well soon Juve have Gilardino! sounds exactly as good in my ears!. And you should show some respect and faith in what Juve are doing, Moggi and co. are the best in the world when it comes to buyings and strategy, economy and so on. Juve have won 27 Scudettos! and they will continue in that supreme way, you just wait and see......!

OH REALLY!?!?!?!?!


And you have proof that Gilardino, Bonera, and Ferrari has signed with Juve?? Do you have an office at the headquarters in Turin?? Oh wait, that's right, you believe everything that the internet media is telling you. That same internet media that had everyone from RVN to Jesus himself coming to Juve during the January transfer window.

Show some repsect and faith in what Juve are doing. Sure, I can see how much they did in January when everyone and their grandmother KNEW that this team needed defensive help. Instead, they loaned out 4 players, one of them (Davids) we had no replacement for.

You want me to have respect for a scouting staff that flat out told everyone that they would not sign Kaka becuase they were afraid that he "would play like his name".

What kind of stupid shit is that??? What have you seen in the last two years that gives you any indication that this band-aid mentality is going to change??


I hope I'm wrong, I sincerely hope that Juve bites the bullet next year, and maybe even the year after that, to put together a team that will be young and able to be a dynasty once again, and be dominant for at least the next 5 years, but that would take something that a lot of supporters don't have, and that's patience. How many of you would be willing to accept that? To accept this team being in 7th or 8th place for a couple of years, if the payoff could be a dynasty for the next 5 years after that?

I for one would certainly be willing to accept that.



Peace to you, Delpiero 10, and Forza Juve.
 

delpiero10

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Apr 5, 2004
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#46
And why do you say that its okay with a crappy season or two to build up a young team, i mean i understand what you mean, but for me the team is the important thing, not who plays there and how old they are. Of course im glad if Gilardino and Ferrari comes.
As long as Juve are winning im a happy Juventini. And i am sure Juve will win even with the "old" :D 28 year Legrottaglie. You cant just have a young team, then you wont win a thing, experience is important, specially in defence.
 

delpiero10

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Apr 5, 2004
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#48
++ [ originally posted by Andre 3000 ] ++



OH REALLY!?!?!?!?!


And you have proof that Gilardino, Bonera, and Ferrari has signed with Juve?? Do you have an office at the headquarters in Turin?? Oh wait, that's right, you believe everything that the internet media is telling you. That same internet media that had everyone from RVN to Jesus himself coming to Juve during the January transfer window.
Ok first of all you dont have to be sarcastic!, You live in USA so maybe you dont follow the media in Italy verY much (might be wrong), but rumours says they already have signed, and if you have followed Juve more than just a couple of years you should know that they have a good connection with Parma.

We'll just have to wait and see, if we dont get them we'll get some other good alternatives.
 

delpiero10

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Apr 5, 2004
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#49
++ [ originally posted by Arif ] ++



:rofl: ya think so? because of that our defence sucked this year :D
Oh how mature Arif, its a complex thing, its not just to buy and buy, as Thuram said it after the end of the season Juve most analyze what has gone wrong and think of changes, the defence hasnt been the only problem this year! you cant only solve it with money! almost the same team won us the scudetto last year and reached the Cl final.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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#50
++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++


Ok first of all you dont have to be sarcastic!, You live in USA so maybe you dont follow the media in Italy verY much (might be wrong), but rumours says they already have signed, and if you have followed Juve more than just a couple of years you should know that they have a good connection with Parma.

We'll just have to wait and see, if we dont get them we'll get some other good alternatives.

Are you kidding Me?!?!?!?!


Because I live in the US, I might not get the same amount of info?? Really. I guess subscribing to the RAI network, knowing nearly fluent Italian, and reading the Gazzeta Dello Sport 4 times a week doesn't qualify me then.


Followed Juve for a couple of years. Really Funny. I don't know how old you are, but I've been a supporter of Juve for over 25 years, so don't go there. Please, don't go there. I am well aware of the Parma-Juve connection, but this situation is a little different for Parma these days, don't you think?? Where in the past they may have sold players to Juve for a little less than what they could have gotten from other teams, this is a whole different story. Its almost a given that they are going to have to put connections/loyalites aside and literally auction off these players to the highest bidder.
 

venom

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Oct 22, 2003
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#51
++ [ originally posted by Andre 3000 ] ++
I hope I'm wrong, I sincerely hope that Juve bites the bullet next year, and maybe even the year after that, to put together a team that will be young and able to be a dynasty once again, and be dominant for at least the next 5 years, but that would take something that a lot of supporters don't have, and that's patience. How many of you would be willing to accept that? To accept this team being in 7th or 8th place for a couple of years, if the payoff could be a dynasty for the next 5 years after that?

I for one would certainly be willing to accept that.
No, no, don't even think about it, I understand your point but if next season (and one after that) would be something like current one there would be no money to buy anyone. Not that there currently is. That's why I hope there won't be that many changes in roster next season thus avoiding situation where half the squad are like Thuram or Legro or whoever in their first season in black and white.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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#52
++ [ originally posted by venom ] ++


No, no, don't even think about it, I understand your point but if next season (and one after that) would be something like current one there would be no money to buy anyone. Not that there currently is. That's why I hope there won't be that many changes in roster next season thus avoiding situation where half the squad are like Thuram or Legro or whoever in their first season in black and white.
I'm not saying make wholesale changes, but to bring in two or 3 young players a year for the next couple of years to incorporate them into the core squad. The problem that seems to happen with Juve, is when they sell a superstar, the players that they get in return, with the exception of Buffon, who was 23, are already into their late 20's, so that window of opportunity that you have to win is that much smaller.


That's the part that upsets me.
 

Valley

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Apr 20, 2004
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#53
I agree with Andre 3000.
This is exactly the kind of approach I like to see in sport. We don't want quick fix solutions, we need youngsters who will gain experience and could eventually become as good as the original "solution". This obviously creates oppurtunities for success, and for making money.
The danger that you may end up running the team like an academy. It's important to have a balance.
 

Dr-Juve

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Mar 11, 2004
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#54
++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
Squillaci has Juve dream
Thursday 22 April, 2004

Sebastien Squillaci says he wouldn’t hesitate in leaving Monaco this summer if Juventus made an offer.

The young Frenchman has been linked with the Italian outfit and he’s hoping a deal can be agreed.

"I know that they are interested in me," said the 23-year-old. "I’m happy at Monaco and I’ve had a great season here.

"However, if Juventus were to call then I couldn’t possibly turn down a move to Turin."

The Serie A giants are looking to renew their defence but they may have to dig deep in order to secure the stopper’s signature.

"I have a contract here until 2007 and there is no buy out clause," he added. "Whoever wants me needs to negotiate with Monaco."

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If this is true I think legro will either leave Juve or become a bench player which I prefer
 
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Stu

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    Moggi made a mistake in 2002 by not getting Cannavaro or Nesta. As it was Ferrara and Montero were good that season, but the next season we needed reinforcements. We got Legro. He's our youngest defender at 26 or 27, and now this summer we need to change up everything. If Moggi had got Cannavaro or Nesta, we could have rejuvenated our defence in patches. We could have done it gradually, but now we are in need of two, three, maybe even four new defenders.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Mar 16, 2004
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    Well Montero, Ferrara, and Iuliano should all be replaced in the summer. Legrottaglie will take Mark's spot, while two or three newcomers will take over for the rest. Squillaci seems like a very strong defender who is well suited for ariel challenges.
     
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    Stu

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    Yeah, but if we got Canna in 2002, and then Legro in 2003 like we did, we would have adequately replaced Ferrara and Montero and therefore wouldn't have suffered the horrible season that we had to go through this term. We would then only have to bring in one central defender and possibly a full back just to make sure that we're covered, but as it is, we have to buy about three quality defenders.
     

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