Truly Amazing: jasper got no closer to seeing The Great Dictator than a YouTube clip (9 Viewers)

[Ford Prefect]

thanks for the positive vibes i guess, but nothing here is enlightening and it would be pretty presumptuous to think so

is it not presumptuous speaking for the whole of the Juventuz community - of varying ages, backgrounds, belief systems. Show that video to someone who is 15-18 then it probably would be, show it to a bitter 20 something that is being pedantic then maybe not.

 

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[Trequartista]

Damn. Not an AndreaCristiano thread.

 

[ALC]

since you think 3 words, a montage, and charlie chaplin's voice in the background describe and answer all of life's questions and problems, i have 1 word as commentary: naive.

The answer to all of life's questions you say?

 

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Strong rap.

 

[swag]

Don't be a YouTube idiot and watch the original: the movie The Great Dictator is far more compelling.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Uh oh, here come all the Juventuz "adults" to put the intellectual smack down on poor Sam.

i like sam, but now he feels how AC does when he preaches on here

 

[Ford Prefect]

Don't be a YouTube idiot and watch the original: the movie The Great Dictator is far more compelling.

Can you hold some more respect for me than that? No I haven't seen the 'Great Dictator', but I am sure there are films that you haven't seen that would mortify me.

But as for me not having seen the film, its just shot up to the top of my 'to watch' list. Also how am I meant to have seen it with no awareness of its existence? I hadn't seen 'The Network' before I saw it on 'Newswipe' and then I did watch it, and have now realised how many of Howard Beals rants have ended up on youtube (it kind of half misses the point of the film to decontextualise them like that)....but anything that gets the awareness of these amazing pieces of art is surely positive?

i like sam, but now he feels how AC does when he preaches on here

No I don't. Im not preaching, Im sharing. If I were preaching I would have written that myself/produced the video myself/had some part in the proccess of production. I thought it was an interesting perspective that was free from the usual constraints of things we debate on here and was worth sharing. All I have done is defend myself in that aspect - I havent said anything on the subject since I posted it. If you want to debate the ethics of what is in the video then I will be happy to. If this were to turn into how the other recent threads have I would just bail out and let it be forgotten...which I am kind of hoping will happen now.

 

[swag]

Can you hold some more respect for me than that? No I haven't seen the 'Great Dictator', but I am sure there are films that you haven't seen that would mortify me.

I would, but respect is something you have to earn. It's not merely given, jasper. Seeing this thread started in the context of its inspiration, to me this was like seeing someone adore the quote "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," but instead attributing it to an episode of The Family Guy instead of Voltaire.

But as for me not having seen the film, its just shot up to the top of my 'to watch' list. Also how am I meant to have seen it with no awareness of its existence? I hadn't seen 'The Network' before I saw it on 'Newswipe' and then I did watch it, and have now realised how many of Howard Beals rants have ended up on youtube (it kind of half misses the point of the film to decontextualise them like that)....but anything that gets the awareness of these amazing pieces of art is surely positive?

Yes, it's most definitely positive. I suppose The Family Guy may have given birth to a few new political libertarians too perhaps.

That speech is only a fraction of what's great about that movie. When you watch it, you have to remember a few things about when it was made in 1940:
* America was still isolationist to the core
* The worst of Nazi Germany was still years from being experienced nor "discovered" by the rest of the world
* Northern France was just about being occupied as the movie was finishing up

If you don't understand it in that context, it's still a great movie. But, for example, the movie Casablanca takes on a whole new dimension when you think back and realize that when it was made it was unclear if France would ever be free of Nazi German rule at the time and nobody knew how the war would turn out.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I would, but respect is something you have to earn. It's not merely given, jasper. Seeing this thread started in the context of its inspiration, to me this was like seeing someone adore the quote "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," but instead attributing it to an episode of The Family Guy instead of Voltaire.



Yes, it's most definitely positive. I suppose The Family Guy may have given birth to a few new political libertarians too perhaps.

That speech is only a fraction of what's great about that movie. When you watch it, you have to remember a few things about when it was made in 1940:
* America was still isolationist to the core
* The worst of Nazi Germany was still years from being experienced nor "discovered" by the rest of the world
* Northern France was just about being occupied as the movie was finishing up

If you don't understand it in that context, it's still a great movie. But, for example, the movie Casablanca takes on a whole new dimension when you think back and realize that when it was made it was unclear if France would ever be free of Nazi German rule at the time and nobody knew how the war would turn out.

Did you know half of my undergrad degree was in film?

I wrote my a-level thesis on 'casablanca' in comparison to 'all quiet on the western front' as well - most of my work i did on representation with a focus on socio-economic context. I love studying films in context, to me its redudant not to.

Today we had to anaylse the decrease in voting over the past 66 years the countries were Germany, the UK, USA, Japan, France & India. I was the only person in my class that paid attention to the context - massive dip after 91 (soviet), India always having a really low turn out (infrastructure), Germany being constantly high turn out...everyone else focused on apathy and trust...my lecturer likes me now lol.

 

[swag]

Did you know half of my undergrad degree was in film?

Then you have even less of an excuse.

I wrote my a-level thesis on 'casablanca' in comparison to 'all quiet on the western front' as well - most of my work i did on representation with a focus on socio-economic context. I love studying films in context, to me its redudant not to.

Both great flicks that are even better in the context of their times, btw.

Today we had to anaylse the decrease in voting over the past 66 years the countries were Germany, the UK, USA, Japan, France & India. I was the only person in my class that paid attention to the context - massive dip after 91 (soviet), India always having a really low turn out (infrastructure), Germany being constantly high turn out...everyone else focused on apathy and trust...my lecturer likes me now lol.

Interesting. Not bad when you're not making killer coffee. :coffee: Something I can relate to.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Can you hold some more respect for me than that? No I haven't seen the 'Great Dictator', but I am sure there are films that you haven't seen that would mortify me.

But as for me not having seen the film, its just shot up to the top of my 'to watch' list. Also how am I meant to have seen it with no awareness of its existence? I hadn't seen 'The Network' before I saw it on 'Newswipe' and then I did watch it, and have now realised how many of Howard Beals rants have ended up on youtube (it kind of half misses the point of the film to decontextualise them like that)....but anything that gets the awareness of these amazing pieces of art is surely positive?



No I don't. Im not preaching, Im sharing. If I were preaching I would have written that myself/produced the video myself/had some part in the proccess of production. I thought it was an interesting perspective that was free from the usual constraints of things we debate on here and was worth sharing. All I have done is defend myself in that aspect - I havent said anything on the subject since I posted it. If you want to debate the ethics of what is in the video then I will be happy to. If this were to turn into how the other recent threads have I would just bail out and let it be forgotten...which I am kind of hoping will happen now.

i didnt say you were preaching, i said you're getting the same response AC would get(remember the 'God bless/help you' instance). at any rate beyond the furtively fleeting moments of feel good(and i am being generous), this video doesnt offer much substance imo