Tiago Mendes (54 Viewers)

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,019
We're definitely saying the same things here. What you're talking about re: Chiellini isn't the acquisition cost of a transfer, but rather the current market value. The two are different.



Here's where I disagree. I always thought Tiago wasn't worth the price we paid even before we acquired him. His performances have been about where I expected of him... little more, little less, based on what I've seen of him in the Portugal NT, at Chelsea, and at Lyon over the years.

So does that mean I should be especially pissed off at Tiago because some moron in the front office overpaid for his transfer fee? That's silly, and it's not Tiago's fault.

In my mind, anyone who seems quick to blame Tiago because of his overpriced transfer fee needs to take a hard look at themselves and how they valued the player in the first place. Because either they trusted Secco and crew to make the right valuation, which was wrong in my mind, or they agreed with Secco to begin with and they're finding out that they were just as wrong about Tiago's play and potential as Secco and crew were -- which means they're just as much to blame for getting it wrong and believing the wrong hype.
Agreed. And that also stems from not knowing what type of player he is.
 

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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Ok, Andy, i know you said it few times in the past, but would you like to repeat what kind of player Tiago is?
And more importantly, can you name 2 more same type of players?
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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We're definitely saying the same things here. What you're talking about re: Chiellini isn't the acquisition cost of a transfer, but rather the current market value. The two are different.
I suspected that, thats why i explained my view extensively to see the point of disagreement:agree:



Here's where I disagree. I always thought Tiago wasn't worth the price we paid even before we acquired him. His performances have been about where I expected of him... little more, little less, based on what I've seen of him in the Portugal NT, at Chelsea, and at Lyon over the years.

So does that mean I should be especially pissed off at Tiago because some moron in the front office overpaid for his transfer fee? That's silly, and it's not Tiago's fault.

In my mind, anyone who seems quick to blame Tiago because of his overpriced transfer fee needs to take a hard look at themselves and how they valued the player in the first place. Because either they trusted Secco and crew to make the right valuation, which was wrong in my mind, or they agreed with Secco to begin with and they're finding out that they were just as wrong about Tiago's play and potential as Secco and crew were -- which means they're just as much to blame for getting it wrong and believing the wrong hype.

In that latter case, instead of getting pissed off at Tiago -- who, IMO, is meeting what my prior expectations were -- they should be pissed off at themselves for having ridiculously out-of-whack expectations of him ... or for trusting Secco and crew to be accurate.
Thats a valid point, we did overpaid for him, due to our incompetent management.
Tiago however, is considered a somewhat proven player and also a player with the potential to play in a club like Juve and his price tag couldnt be much lower than the one we paid to get him. But we didnt considered our needs, his special characteristics and the fact that he wasnt fit enough when we acquired him. Those factors should affect his transfer value and it is not his fault that we misjudged them!

It is neither his fault that we had to field him as a second DM, because we needed more support for our weak defense. He is not made for that and he was def not fit for that. We didnt create the necessary conditions for him to offer what he should.

These are the reasons why i defended Tiago the player last year, besides you and Andy, but criticized Tiago the transfer from the first day.

This year however, his excuses has started to fade out. The investment we made on him, was not only tactical but also strategical.
Again it is not his fault that we overpaid him, but it is his fault that he refused to leave and keep having that huge salary, without offering the appropriate performances. We gave him the time to recover his fitness, we improved our DM coverage and gave him the space to play at his natural position and role.
And he failed again...:frown: , unfortunately this season, Tiago had no excuses left, he ought to step up, to justify his salary and at least the largest part of the money and time we invested on him!

He is a special case and the only player who managed to become two different type of flops.

Our opinion on the complicated Tiago case is not very different, but as a general rule, the amount we spend on some players and esp their real/current market value, do determine our expectations for them!
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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This year however, his excuses has started to fade out. The investment we made on him, was not only tactical but also strategical.
Again it is not his fault that we overpaid him, but it is his fault that he refused to leave and keep having that huge salary, without offering the appropriate performances. We gave him the time to recover his fitness, we improved our DM coverage and gave him the space to play at his natural position and role.
And he failed again...:frown: , unfortunately this season, Tiago had no excuses left, he ought to step up, to justify his salary and at least the largest part of the money and time we invested on him!
:tup:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,498
Agree with basically everything Cronios said more or less.

Agreed. And that also stems from not knowing what type of player he is.
You also agree with his 2nd paragraph? Of what he expected of Tiago, its more less as I see Tiago, before he came to Juve, so I agree, but you I can say IMO overrates him, so do you agree with that part too?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,019
Ok, Andy, i know you said it few times in the past, but would you like to repeat what kind of player Tiago is?
And more importantly, can you name 2 more same type of players?
He's a link up midfielder who acts as the medium between a destroyer and the playmaker. His job is to get the ball to the stars and fill in doing whatever is necessary in midfield, plus getting open for shots at the top of the 18. That's what he did well at Chelsea and Lyon with getting the ball to Lampard and Juninho, respectively.

This is why perhaps it was wrong to purchase him as people expected him to be the go-to guy in midfield, something that he isn't.

A player such as Marchisio comes mind, albeit he uses less finesse in the similar role.
 

Amaurisimo

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Dec 8, 2007
4,622
He's a link up midfielder who acts as the medium between a destroyer and the playmaker. His job is to get the ball to the stars and fill in doing whatever is necessary in midfield, plus getting open for shots at the top of the 18. That's what he did well at Chelsea and Lyon with getting the ball to Lampard and Juninho, respectively.

This is why perhaps it was wrong to purchase him as people expected him to be the go-to guy in midfield, something that he isn't.

A player such as Marchisio comes mind, albeit he uses less finesse in the similar role.
Sorry Andy, but you are wrong about Tiago and Chelsea..I dont know if you were watching games or not, but for sure i did.
I would never ever say that he was doing well at Chelsea. I did not watch him at Lion, but he must be doing something good after all, otherwise we would not pay for him that much..
I agree with Cronios 100% in this matter.
 

Sadomin

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2005
7,327
So basically he's too weak to play in a midfield 2, too poor to be a trequartista and too slow to be a winger.

Reminds me a bit of those players who are something in between fullback and winger such as De Ceglie, Dossena and Maggio.
 

BillyG

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Nov 25, 2006
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He's a link up midfielder who acts as the medium between a destroyer and the playmaker. His job is to get the ball to the stars and fill in doing whatever is necessary in midfield, plus getting open for shots at the top of the 18. That's what he did well at Chelsea and Lyon with getting the ball to Lampard and Juninho, respectively.

This is why perhaps it was wrong to purchase him as people expected him to be the go-to guy in midfield, something that he isn't.

A player such as Marchisio comes mind, albeit he uses less finesse in the similar role.
i totally agree with everythig ur saying here. i said the same thing some months ago and got serious flak for it

+ everybody has forgotten how good he was next to momo. it's no coincidence that his "drop in form" has coincided with the loss of momo next to him
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
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still, he has no character. players with less skill and expierience like marchisio looks and are far superior when they are playing together. he is failure and i don`t care if he doesn`t fit the system or doesn`t have right partners to prove his value. he should learn some things from giovinco, who gives his all no matter what the position is. every time i put hopes on him, he frustrates me with his dead fish attitude, its enough for me. thanks for that great game against reggina/empoli last season, and get the fuck out of here, you should consider changing your gender.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Tiaga makes Nacho Duato's Compañia Nacional de Danza call
Friday 17 April, 2009

Portuguese international ballerina Tiaga Mendesova has admitted that she would jump at the chance to join Compañia Nacional de Danza.

The european ballet champions are looking for a new ballerina after Olga Preobrajenska joined Agrippina Vaganova, Galina Ulanova and Ulyana Lopatkina on the injured list.

While free agent Phillipina Mexesova, who dances for Rimskiy Ballet, is one option, Juventus girl Mendesova is also said to be on Nacho Duato's short-list.

“I would be happy to move to Compañia Nacional de Danza as soon as possible,” Tiaga conceded after a great ballet performance on Sunday.

“It would be a unique opportunity for me and I can’t afford to miss it.

“I would also be happy to go there for a year on loan so that I could dance for a great ballet group and line up alongside my good friend Galina Ulanova, who I know from our Bolshoi Theatre days and i talk to almost every day.”

Compañia Nacional de Danza technical director Isadora Duncan (pictured) is reportedly preparing a formal offer for Tiaga Mendesova, which is expected to take the form of a season loan with the option for a permanent move next summer.

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,019
Sorry Andy, but you are wrong about Tiago and Chelsea..I dont know if you were watching games or not, but for sure i did.
I would never ever say that he was doing well at Chelsea. I did not watch him at Lion, but he must be doing something good after all, otherwise we would not pay for him that much..
I agree with Cronios 100% in this matter.
I watched Chelsea more than any other Permiership side. I stand by what I saw and said.

i totally agree with everythig ur saying here. i said the same thing some months ago and got serious flak for it

+ everybody has forgotten how good he was next to momo. it's no coincidence that his "drop in form" has coincided with the loss of momo next to him
That could be true. Tiago certainly isn't able to handle the defensive duties without a destroyer next to him, although he did do well against Chelsea in that respect, along with Marchisio.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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Tiaga makes Nacho Duato's Compañia Nacional de Danza call
Friday 17 April, 2009

Portuguese international ballerina Tiaga Mendesova has admitted that she would jump at the chance to join Compañia Nacional de Danza.

The european ballet champions are looking for a new ballerina after Olga Preobrajenska joined Agrippina Vaganova, Galina Ulanova and Ulyana Lopatkina on the injured list.

While free agent Phillipina Mexesova, who dances for Rimskiy Ballet, is one option, Juventus girl Mendesova is also said to be on Nacho Duato's short-list.

“I would be happy to move to Compañia Nacional de Danza as soon as possible,” Tiaga conceded after a great ballet performance on Sunday.

“It would be a unique opportunity for me and I can’t afford to miss it.

“I would also be happy to go there for a year on loan so that I could dance for a great ballet group and line up alongside my good friend Galina Ulanova, who I know from our Bolshoi Theatre days and i talk to almost every day.”

Compañia Nacional de Danza technical director Isadora Duncan (pictured) is reportedly preparing a formal offer for Tiaga Mendesova, which is expected to take the form of a season loan with the option for a permanent move next summer.

Channel4
bravo bravo!
 

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