Tiago Mendes (37 Viewers)

[Max]

Piss you! you retard!

We need ranieri! he has installed a never say die attitude to our squad which we havent had in years. OK Tiago hasnt fitted in boooo..hooo! get over it. Ranieri is not stupid. Tiago is physically weak for serie A. he might improve but in the meantime have faith the the guy who should be leading serie A at this moment and you know who that guy is and thats our ''tinkerman''. So fuck all you Ranieri haters out there. the guys doing wonders with us with what we have. obviously you havent got a dam clue what football is all about.

Forza Claudio! :flag3:

A) Ranieri didn't bring this "never say die" attitude as you claim. It's the players themselves who have something to prove. You saw this last year as well. It's not Ranieri's doing.

B) There's a reason why Juventus is in third place right now. The backline is in shambles and there's no creative flow between defence and the forwards (Camo and Nedved can only do so much). It's almost like Ranieri makes them run all training session and neglects the tactical aspect of the game. Yeah, Ranieri's got the squad running, woop-dee-doo. First place...

C) Stop calling him Tinkerman. He hasn't had the balls to try anything new all season long, and in order to get critics off his back, he fielded a squad of second-stringers who've never played together on Wednesday against Empoli in order to justify his rigid and dull tactics. Fucking brilliant.

Pay attention instead of wanking to Jenna Jameson all the time.

 

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[Ahmed]

^^

 

[Eddy]

I agree. Sign Lippi back.

 

[rounder]

Watch the way we control the ball in midfield and lack any ideas going forward and tell me we don't need Tiago. If we want to actually win against the best sides in Italy, we need Tiago. That's all there is to it.

If it's creativity we lack then we should buy an offensive midfielder . The truth is , with the formation Ranieri is playing , Tiago just won't fit in . He isn't as defensive as Zanetti and Nocerino and I think both have had a brilliant season so far and none of them should be benched .

I think the reason we lack creativity is because our formation is too basic . It has been literally memorized by other teams and it's like every move we do can easilly be predicted . A player like Tiago won't change a thing . Maybe Juve would become more offensive but our defense would get exposed .

This juve right now is much more creative and offensive than the one 2 years ago . That's one of a few postives that can be said about Ranieri . We're not as boring as we used to be .I'd like to see the 4-3-3 formation or even the 4-5-1 formation , anything that's different to the old predictable way everyone got bored of .

 

[Ahmed]

well Tiago even in his extremely limited playing time has atleast 5-6 assists...how many do Zanetti/Nocerino have? they probably do not have 5 assists if u combine their efforts, and they have been playing almost everyminute of every game...and players at this level have to be flexible, so I dont think the argument that "he cant play in 4 4 2" is feasible

 

[goutkris]

tiago is ok..i like his play...he deserve more starts...instead of zanetti and others.

 

[Elvin]

The reason Ranieri doesn't wanna risk benching one of Zanetti and Nocerino is because he can't trust our back 4 enough, that's why we gotta get a quality CB in January.

PS who knows maybe Andrade will do great :xfinger:

 

[Alen]

I really don't want to get into any arguments where i will have to play down the efforts and success of our legend Deschamps.
I'm not attacking Deschamps, i'm only defending the one who was (undeservedly) attacked.

We shouldn't be leading Serie A, what the hell are you talking about? We're fucking lucky we're even in third.

Is losing to Udinese at home, Napoli away, and drawing with Roma, Inter and Milan working wonders? I don't think so. The highest team in the table we have won against is Atalanta FFS. And even yesterday we weren't all that good.

Wake the hell up.

Come on Andy. If you're using this argument then you should also mention that Deschamps, who according to you is >>>>>>>>>>> Ranieri, lost against Mantova and Brescia and couldn't beat Rimini (twice), Albinoleffe, Arezzo, Spezia, Vicenza, Cesena etc.
And if we compare the starting line-up Deschamps had with Ranieri's starting line-up you'll see that the only changes are Legro for Boumsong, Molinaro for Balzaretti and Nocerino for Paro/Marchisio. It's almost the same team, with bigger squad depth that Ranieri has.

Perhaps we can attack Ranieri for the mercato but not for the way he leads the team we have. I can't know this but still i'm pretty sure that no other coach would have done better than this with this team.

You started disliking him only because he's not giving Tiago a chance because i really don't see another reason why would you underestimate what he has done with the limited quality at his disposal ?!

 

[rounder]

well Tiago even in his extremely limited playing time has atleast 5-6 assists...how many do Zanetti/Nocerino have? they probably do not have 5 assists if u combine their efforts, and they have been playing almost everyminute of every game...and players at this level have to be flexible, so I dont think the argument that "he cant play in 4 4 2" is feasible

It's not Zanetti's or Nocerino's job to assist and create plays . It's like telling Trezeguet to cross . It's not a matter of flexiblilty at all , they are just different types of players . Zanetti and Nocerino do their defensive part and Nedved and Camo do the offensive part . It's very simple but also predictable . That's why the 4-4-2 is not working on a creative level . It is however working for us defensively , compare our defense now to our defense in the start of the season or in Serie B . We're miles better and it's not just because of the centerbacks .

Zanetti and Nocerino are really doing excellent jobs in covering the defensive flaws we clearly have . Tiago would create a huge gap if he plays in either position . Unless Ranieri changes his gameplan then I don't see Tiago playing more than 4 mins per game .

People want a creative midfield that's more offensive , I'm all for that , but the consequences aren't being taken into consideration . Saying that a DM should be more flexible in his position is kind of like saying a CF should be more flexible in his position . Look at Trezeguet , overall , he can't do much dribbling or crossing but he scores goals more than players that can dribble etc.. It's the same with Tiago , he may be a better passer than Zanetti and Nocerino but the latter are miles ahead of him when it comes to defense and man marking .

So no , he wouldn't work well with a 4-4-2 , at least not with the team we have now .

 

[Bjerknes]

Come on Andy. If you're using this argument then you should also mention that Deschamps, who according to you is >>>>>>>>>>> Ranieri, lost against Mantova and Brescia and couldn't beat Rimini (twice), Albinoleffe, Arezzo, Spezia, Vicenza, Cesena etc.
And if we compare the starting line-up Deschamps had with Ranieri's starting line-up you'll see that the only changes are Legro for Boumsong, Molinaro for Balzaretti and Nocerino for Paro/Marchisio. It's almost the same team, with bigger squad depth that Ranieri has.

Perhaps we can attack Ranieri for the mercato but not for the way he leads the team we have. I can't know this but still i'm pretty sure that no other coach would have done better than this with this team.

You started disliking him only because he's not giving Tiago a chance because i really don't see another reason why would you underestimate what he has done with the limited quality at his disposal ?!

Alen, you're talking about different times here. Deschamps had to deal with loads of injuries during that Mantova match and the likes of Marchisio, De Ceglie and Palladino were pretty much new to the squad. Those players took major roles in the side during a time when we were devastated with relegation. Nobody wanted the job besides our legend Deschamps, and I think he did a good job considering the circumstances. And if we want to argue who is the better manager, well, we all know who reached a Champions League Final and who didn't, not to mention win a league..

My dislike for Ranieri isn't just because he doesn't give Tiago a chance. As I've stated before, this is not the same Ranieri that I used to like for a number of years. The man was once a little more amicable towards his players if they're having a hard time, but now he blasts them publicly for all to see. The man once gave everyone a fair chance to play, but now he can't even give some time to Tiago who has thoroughly deserved a chance to shine.

But this isn't even the tip of the iceberg. Now Alen, even you have criticized the way we have played before, citing that we look more lethargic than we did during the Capello era. I happen to concur with you, watching us not even have the wherewithall to string a few passes together during a bunch of matches. We might have been hard done by with refereeing decisions in a few matches, but we also have looked clueluess tactically on the pitch and that is partly why I blame Ranieri. To be honest, he's just like Capello... except worse.

I just find it funny that the central midfielder with the most assists per game on our side has only started two matches. What a world we live in.

 

[Bjerknes]

Does Tiago have 3 assists or 2? I've been conservative in my totals because I only remember two clear assists. Did Tiago have an assist in the Reggina match?

On second thought I think he did on a corner to Legrottaglie.

If so, that makes three assists in two starts.

Does such a player deserve to be benched all this time?

Fuck no.

 

[rounder]

Does Tiago have 3 assists or 2? I've been conservative in my totals because I only remember two clear assists. Did Tiago have an assist in the Reggina match?

On second thought I think he did on a corner to Legrottaglie.

If so, that makes three assists in two starts.

Does such a player deserve to be benched all this time?

Fuck no.

You don't get started depending on how many assists you have had per game . It's much more complicated than that . I agree Tiago isn't getting a fair chance but there must be a reason , it's not like Ranieri hates Tiago and just doesn't want him to play . The only logical reason is that Tiago doesn't fit in in the team's formation .

 

[Bjerknes]

If it's creativity we lack then we should buy an offensive midfielder . The truth is , with the formation Ranieri is playing , Tiago just won't fit in . He isn't as defensive as Zanetti and Nocerino and I think both have had a brilliant season so far and none of them should be benched.

Why do we have to play the straight 4-4-2? Why do we have to have two destroyers in every single match we play? Are we really THAT terrible we have to play two destroyers because our defense is so poor and we cannot control the ball long enough to halt the opposition? This is bullshit.

With Camoranesi out we could be playing a diamond in midfield, incorporating Tiago, Nocerino and Zanetti with Nedved in his best position behind the strikers. But no, we have to resort to this crap straight 4-4-2, long balls and our strikers doing all the offensive duties. I'm tired of this crap football. We have the players to play differently, yet we are seemingly still stuck in the Capello era.

I think the reason we lack creativity is because our formation is too basic . It has been literally memorized by other teams and it's like every move we do can easilly be predicted . A player like Tiago won't change a thing . Maybe Juve would become more offensive but our defense would get exposed .

Unless you have wingers such as Giggs, Ronaldo, Quaresma, Mancini, etc, the straight 4-4-2 will always be too basic. This has been established so many fucking times on this forum and through normal conversation throughout workplaces around the world that it's tiring. Why do you think England hasn't qualified for the Euros? Why do we have to use this same inane tactic match after match when we don't even have the players to utilize the main facets of said formation?

This juve right now is much more creative and offensive than the one 2 years ago . That's one of a few postives that can be said about Ranieri . We're not as boring as we used to be .I'd like to see the 4-3-3 formation or even the 4-5-1 formation , anything that's different to the old predictable way everyone got bored of .

I don't agree. We're just as boring as we used to be, but all that's happened is that our strikers have been better.

 

[Max]

Why do we have to play the straight 4-4-2? Why do we have to have two destroyers in every single match we play? Are we really THAT terrible we have to play two destroyers because our defense is so poor and we cannot control the ball long enough to halt the opposition? This is bullshit.

No, Andy. It's the truth. Ranieri plays two defensive midfielders because he doesn't trust the defence enough, and frankly I don't blame him. The backline is a sieve.

 

[Bjerknes]

You don't get started depending on how many assists you have had per game . It's much more complicated than that . I agree Tiago isn't getting a fair chance but there must be a reason , it's not like Ranieri hates Tiago and just doesn't want him to play . The only logical reason is that Tiago doesn't fit in in the team's formation .

Yeah, he doesn't fit into the team's formation, yet when he has started he has provided at least two assists and not conceded a goal while he was on the pitch. Funny stuff.

You know, managers are not always right in their inclinations. Sometimes they're wrong. What has Ranieri done in his trophy-less career to warrant that people wholeheartedly believe in his abilities? He's won fuckall. What exactly do we have at our disposal to give full credit to Ranieri and fully believe in his abilities? This guy isn't Capello, who has won several titles in his life. This guy isn't Lippi who has guided us to several Scudetti during his time. What has Ranieri done to halt people from doubting him?

Nothing.

If you sign a player you know won't fit into your planned formation, you have no business coaching. That's all there is to it. Apparently Ranieri didn't want Tiago in the first place, still purchased him, and now lets him waste away on the bench. Such an action right there gets me so pissed off, so frustrated, because real managers such as Jose or Lippi don't pull such shit. They know what they want and don't waste the money of their sides' on players they don't know how to use. Fact of the matter is, Ranieri doesn't know how to field our two most expensive midfield signings and wasted money on players whom he seemingly didn't even want. That's Football Manager crap right there.

 

[Bjerknes]

No, Andy. It's the truth. Ranieri plays two defensive midfielders because he doesn't trust the defence enough, and frankly I don't blame him. The backline is a sieve.

But do we really have to play two defensive midfielders every single match? Even against bottom sides?

I don't know how anybody could think that's not an alarming thing in one way or another.

 

[rounder]

Why do we have to play the straight 4-4-2? Why do we have to have two destroyers in every single match we play? Are we really THAT terrible we have to play two destroyers because our defense is so poor and we cannot control the ball long enough to halt the opposition? This is bullshit.

I hate to break it to you but with the team we have , we do need 2 destroyers .
We can't afford a gap in our midfield , we don't have the luxury Millan or Inter does . It's a sad fact we just have to accept .

With Camoranesi out we could be playing a diamond in midfield, incorporating Tiago, Nocerino and Zanetti with Nedved in his best position behind the strikers. But no, we have to resort to this crap straight 4-4-2, long balls and our strikers doing all the offensive duties. I'm tired of this crap football. We have the players to play differently, yet we are seemingly still stuck in the Capello era.

I agree .

Unless you have wingers such as Giggs, Ronaldo, Quaresma, Mancini, etc, the straight 4-4-2 will always be too basic. This has been established so many fucking times on this forum and through normal conversation throughout workplaces around the world that it's tiring. Why do you think England hasn't qualified for the Euros? Why do we have to use this same inane tactic match after match when we don't even have the players to utilize the main facets of said formation?

You would think that by now it's a fact everyone would know but it really isn't . Many people think that the 4-4-2 formation is what we need to use .

I don't agree. We're just as boring as we used to be, but all that's happened is that our strikers have been better.

In the Capello era , I would honestly fall asleep sometimes when watching Juve games . Now , I just day dream which is an improvement .

 

[Bjerknes]

I hate to break it to you but with the team we have , we do need 2 destroyers .
We can't afford a gap in our midfield , we don't have the luxury Millan or Inter does . It's a sad fact we just have to accept .

Well, if we need to deploy two destroyers every match, we can do so without using the straight 4-4-2.

And yeah I know our defense isn't that amazing, but that doesn't mean we have to use two destroyers against fucking Parma.

 

[rounder]

Well, if we need to deploy two destroyers every match, we can do so without using the straight 4-4-2.

And yeah I know our defense isn't that amazing, but that doesn't mean we have to use two destroyers against fucking Parma.

A 4-3-3 would work here , but if Tiago were to play he would have to do so instead of Nedved or Camo .

 

[Max]

But do we really have to play two defensive midfielders every single match? Even against bottom sides?

I don't know how anybody could think that's not an alarming thing in one way or another.

Yeah man, I totally agree. The game against Atalanta or any small side is a perfect example. The smaller sides are going to try and plug up the midfield, so it's best that someone CREATIVE is on the pitch. Clever passes that catch the opposing midfielders off-guard leave the forwards with just their defender to deal with. With Nocerino on the field, he'll take the ball and look for a pass, but he doesn't have that vision.

When Ranieri's playing a team like Milan, Roma, Inter, etc..., then he can plug up the midfield because Juventus doesn't have the defensive strength that these teams have. It's here that he can rely on the counter-attack and long-ball dull tactics rather than employing these against weaker opponents.